Sunday, June 5, 2016

Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death

Many Americans have lost the spirit that made this country great.  Many Americans will tell you they value freedom, but few are willing to fight for liberty.  Without liberty you cannot have true freedom.

The difference between freedom and liberty is simple.  Freedom is the government choosing not to shackle you and liberty is being able to defend yourself against the chains of government.  You are not truly free if you do not have liberty.  You are not truly free if you depend on the government, in their benevolence, to allow the exercise of your God-given rights.

Only when a man is willing to fight and die for his liberty, even if ultimately enslaved or killed by the government, is he truly free.  A government cannot imprison a man who does not surrender his spirit, but a man, even one who is not shackled, is still a slave when they are dependent on the government.

We have seen foreign governments impose strict and immediate restrictions on their people that take away the rights of the people.  This will not happen here because of our Constitution, specifically the First and Second Amendments.  Our government knows they cannot overtly oppress the people.  Their tactics must be more insidious to be effective.

Our government’s plan to take away our liberty is not a secret.  It is right there before our eyes if you open them and see.  They plan to:

Make a large segment dependent on the government for their survival. 

Divide the people against one another; a divided people are blind to the evils being perpetrated by the government

Indoctrinate the children to believe that the government is all knowing and all providing; those who oppose it are the evil ones.

 Encourage both legal and illegal immigrants who do not value or understand what it means to be American to come to this country.

When people believe the government is all knowing and all providing they are more than willing to give up their liberty.  They believe that it is wrong for people to bear weapons because there is no need; good old Uncle Sam will protect us.

Once the people are disarmed the government can and will take away the rights established under the First Amendment and then like dominoes all rights will fall.

The King of the Jungle, the lion, prefers living in the wild to living in the most luxurious zoo.  No matter how well provided for, the lion desires living on the plains of Africa even though the living can be hard and survival is not guaranteed.

This is the spirit that brought the early pilgrims to this country.  They gave up security and came to an unsettled and dangerous country in order to have liberty.  Many Americans have lost that spirit and it is killing our country.

The first line of defense is our voice; exercise it by writing letters to the editor, to your elected officials and by speaking your mind even o those who do not share your view and who will attack you for it.  Let them you know will not be silenced.

Secondly, but equally important, is to vote and to volunteer to help candidates you support.

Finally, prepare.  Prepare to take up arms not against your country, but for it.  Take up arms against the government that is an enemy of the people.    This is the last defense and one that may never be needed if the government believes there are enough people willing to die for liberty. 

A strong well armed people is an effective deterrent to oppression.  Exercise and defend the 2nd Amendment.  Your liberty depends on it.


“Give me liberty or give me death”….. these words were spoken by Patrick Henry in 1775 but still ring true today; embrace them.

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  1. LIBERTY OR DEATH

    March 23, 1775
    NO man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if entertaining, as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery. And in proportion to the magnitude of the subject, ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of Heaven which I revere above all earthly kings.

    Mr. President it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth - and listen to the song of the siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it.

    I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the house? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation - the last arguments to which kings resort.

    I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging.

    And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted?

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  2. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned - we have remonstrated - we have supplicated - we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne.

    In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

    They tell us, sir, that we are weak - unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of Hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

    Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.

    Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged, their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable - and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!

    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

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  3. It's a fine blog you have written KTT. No help needed at all. I only posted the speech in its entirety because I feel it's important to peruse this once in a while.
    EPIC.
    I can't remember the guys name, but I recall this being reenacted years ago and left a powerful impression on me as a young man.

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  4. Hammertime thanks for posting.

    Here is what I don't get. You and I are different ages and come from different backgrounds but WE get it, why don't others?

    Why do we value independence, self-reliance and Liberty so much while so many others are content to be controlled by the government?

    I could never vote for Hillary but I know good people who will? These same people fear Trump. I know Trump as president is like dancing with the devil but I don't fear him and look forward to him breaking all the rules.

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  5. Those words are inspirational and true today. They sent tingles through my body reading them I aspire to write as well.

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  6. Hard question buddy. Very hard...

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  7. Remember this as well. When the revolution was beginning the colonies were divided roughly in third opinion-wise.

    About one third wanted revolution. About one third just wanted to be left alone and do nothing so extreme. And about a third were loyalists to the crown and wanted to continue wearing the chains of tyranny in exchange for someone to run their lives and destinies for them.

    Thank God the revolutionaries won. As we see today lots of weak fearful people who have little ambition and less motivation are willing to wear the chains of tyranny and defend their oppressors from those of us who would throw off our shackles and seek our own successes and failures. Tyrants give succor to the weak like a child feeding on his mothers milk. But the time comes to be weaned and seek your own sustenance or remain a helpless child.

    Those who would seek to have a government control our lives are those children seeking their mothers milk. Therein lies suffocation of free will.

    So is Donald Trump the answer? Don't know but he's far and away the best hope we have now. Is he a strict constitutionalist like many of us? No, but he doesn't pretend to be.

    Again, you can always tell who the ungodly left is most afraid of by how vile their attacks against them are. And I'd say they are scared shitless of Donald Trump which is reason enough for me to support him. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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  8. I always believed the enemy of my enemy....but I also believe the friend of my enemy is my enemy too.

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  11. I would like to thank you for quoting me KTT. And thanks to Hammer for posting my speech. You can listen to a re-enactment here:

    https://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfmY

    I stand by those words still today. We will either prevail and defeat the evil communists, or burn the country to the ground (metephorfically speaking

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  12. Liberals aren't interested in "freedom and liberty".

    They are just interested in "free".

    Most are ignorant rubes who have no clue what the Constitution stands for, and for those who do...they hate it.

    They have no idea about the actual history of this country, because the liberal indoctination centers of the public schools have lied to them for so long.

    When faced with truth and reality, they go berzerk.

    To them, (D)evil is good. G(o)od is evil. Immorality is their "morality", and true morality is immoral.

    In their leaders, the most-lying, America-hating, evil people are who they most admire. Honest, patriotic people are shunned.

    They are science deniers, snake-oil buyers...even in the face of irrefutable truth.

    A Representative Republic (which is what we are...and NOT "a democracy") is detested...and they wish to wear the shackles of a Socialism/Communism slave-state, though it is clear throughout history, and at this moment, that they always fail miserably.

    Liberals are idiots.

    Useful only for those 1%er big-money power-brokers who wish to destroy America.







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  13. Well Well The little P Ants got their feelings hurt. Poor little snow flakes pukes. Cant handle it can you boys. Maybe your Daddy Batt Shit can give you some inside info. You three piss ants cant even keep up on the urinal. How you going to keep up here in the real world? Yellow Piss Now who would want to be called YELLOW except some little YELLOW PISS ANT.
    And Ole ST JACKOFF NOw that is a reallty disgusting name JACKO JACKOFF
    And our little MF GIMMIE SOME POO. Been around so long he smells like a old dead SHAD MINNOW.
    And they are in a Sonic ad at work. No wonder they get called out as the Three Amigo's. You know what they say about Three Some's

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  14. Very powerful piece Truthteller.

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  15. And so much for the leftists theory of this blog being a vacuum.

    It's not every day we get to hear from the ghost of a patriot like Patrick Henry...

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  16. You hear from me all the time....sheesh!

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  17. Lol...

    Those voices in my head keep getting louder all the time...

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  18. Good morning.

    Y'all got them running around in circles over at the Urinal.

    Suprised Gimmegimmejjimmieminnowstarfish is still on, being all off-topic and continual name-calling, ignorant and all...but ...who cares. It's good that passersby see the idiocy of the left.

    Good job getting them all to confess to being in support of illegals burning Old Glory, while waving the Mexican flag (for the country their Spaniard ancestors stole...and they fucked up so bad they all wanna come here. To fuck this country up, too...I guess).

    Good you got them to admit they endorse assaults on women, and violent protests, in general.

    Good to shed a bright light on anti-American, radical, Socialist/Communist/Fascist leftists for anyone to see.

    Even poor ol' Patty Dementia mustered up enough lunacy to come to the aid of her fellow Democrat domestic terrorists and the criminal illegals!!

    Keep 'em on their heels, folks!

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  19. "Don't Tread On Us":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIXhUjLwpiA

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  21. This is going to be an ugly election. The ungodly left has nothing to offer but more of the same. obama redux. More of the same.

    This election will never be about issues from the ungodly left, they lost all the issues long ago. It will be name calling, emotion, identity politics. Nasty attacks without any facts, racist racist racist. Riots will be the order of the day. This one is going to make 1968 look pale by comparison.

    But all this is going to backfire just like it did in 68. America doesn't want these people. They were fooled by obama, thinking he was some kind of moderate. White guilt played a part. But they handed congress to the Repubs and a huge majority of states went Repub. So it was the cult of personality.

    But obama was unknown, and when the reality came out that he was a radical godless left wing socialist/communist with ties to muslim and American terrorists, people just didn't see it. The medial controlled that narrative.

    But as Hillary's scandals pile up and people see obama order his corrupt criminal justice department to stand down she's toast. There will be so much truth leaked out by the insiders she will be done for.

    Plus she's a hateful nasty unpopular untrustworthy capitalist crone who is so corrupt you can't help but see it. All the left has is to deny, deny, deny. Nothing to see here, move along.

    Meantime, the voters are left with a choice. Trump, who is admittedly not PC by any stretch, and who raises some doubts on some levels but says what he thinks and he's thinking pretty much what many of us are.

    Or they can choose a lying scheming nasty old crone who will not only continue everything the ungodly left has done to destroy our country, but double down.

    This is going to be good folks. Right now Hillary is spreading the nasty but Trump hasn't even warmed up on her yet.

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  22. SSAH, that has already been posted on cj kevin's blog. The words have been modified to protect the innocent. Lol

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  23. Wow, Mousey, that really put us down, huh? Yeah, if only we'd follow your sort of "leadership."

    Hell, you haven't the leadership to merely identify yourself.

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  25. So you're a mere whiner, huh, Mousey? I certainly can't say I'm surprised.

    Since I've got more stones than you have, I'll answer your Q for you. Here's my General Election attitude: I caucused for Kasich after supporting Graham for all of last year, I did what I could do. The Dems, who could have insured that I vote for Johnson by merely nominating Biden or somebody else from the Administration, instead nominate their precious Harridan. Sort of like a dog rolling in excrement. I'll do nothing to help that Harridan. Hell, it doesn't even matter if Trump is the alternative. Were Raul Castro the alternative I'd exercise my right to a secret ballot, but I will give you this hint how it would go - he smokes a mean cigar and has a cool beard!

    Are you getting the picture yet, Mousey?

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    2. Mousey, it's too bad you mix threats and insults with your threads like the one above. That one has rational, even inspired thoughts behind it. I can understand that line of argument.

      But in a few hours you'll start calling us the Klan and act as though we're hillbillies. I can't figure it out, but I do know that when you try to get others in trouble they will never cotton to you.

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    4. Listen Mousey, when you try your level best to get others in trouble with the law you're on a whole different plane than, say, Batty. Getting someone banned from a website is, in the final analysis, not that important. Trying to get someone arrested and convicted - well, say what you will about Batty, Starfish, et. al. they NEVER try to do that shiznazz.

      And in fact when Sarge thought he was meeting Batty at Truckhenge, he shook hands. You, I think he'd said he'd like to shake your neck. Yeah, we'd have had to "restrain" Sarge's "base impulse."

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    6. "Mini-Treason"???!!! You honestly expect people to believe that??

      Friends support each other. No body is abetting any crimes here. We just understand someone screwing up once in awhile. You know, Mousey, I remember that day on cj when you were stirring up trouble and getting people to condemn Sarge. I remember basically only Safe and Lucy to join me in suspending judgment. And then you said the most vicious things about Lucy and her writing skill and intellect - just for not joining a lynch mob. Remember that, Mousey?

      Ever watch "The Ox-Bow Incident?" Why do you think that jumped to mind right now?

      Oh well, I suppose having friends and being a friend isn't exactly your strong suit, is it? I'd be surprised if you had a four high in it.

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  26. Anonymous. First thanks for stopping by. Nice to have a different point of view.

    Suggest you pick a screen name instead of anaonymous. We already have a bunch of them

    Now for why I will vote for Trump. He is not Hillary. I loathe the woman and believe she is a liar and crooked. She will carry on the Obama policies which I believe make our country weak and divided.

    Trump will weaken the establishment government we have. He will signal to others they can buck the system and get elected.

    He will put America first. We need to start thinking about our own self interest.

    Now explain to me why you support Hillary.

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    2. Again, see what I mean? I won't say anything about KTT's age, appearance or anything else - except to say that I don't know if it's possible to be more wrong than ol' Mousey.

      And hey, Mousey, I think this is your cue to start threatening us and calling us rednecks (which I assume living in SW Missouri qualified you to recognize).

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  27. Mr mouse, or should I say hand job. Trust me when I say nobody here gives a rats ass what kind of excrement you try to spread around here. You are just another godless left wing pissant who doesn't know shit from shinola.

    As my old Dad used to say. If I could buy you for what you're worth, and sell you for what you think you're worth, I be a rich man.

    You're a worthless piece of shit old ex con who got disbarred and went to prison for robbing old people. That makes you pretty worthless around these parts.

    Oh, and....I'm not sorry I have to put it this way. Somebody should have told you years ago--actually, generations ago.

    I'll watch for you picking up trash by the side of the road while you do your community service. Maybe I'll toss something out for you to pick up if it doesn't bounce off your head. I'm sure you're easy to spot, the one that walks bowlegged from his...shall we say prison activities plus you'll be the oldest guy there I'm sure.

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  29. Well mousey, when you start calling out KTT that's the mouse calling out the lion.

    I know KTT. And trust me, he's smarter than you, more accomplished than you, and he has more of value to say in every post he makes than everything you spray at the wall over a year.

    Plus, he's not a sorry ass old convict who picks up aluminum cans to cash in so he can buy a pack of smokes to go with his brown bag wine while he sits on the curb and ponders his future, or lack thereof.

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  30. Well mouse, you're a fine one to talk about what you imagine to be other people's issues with the law, now aren't you?

    And you're mixing your metaphors there mouse. He won't "double click" you in the nose. He'll punch you in the nose with a doubled up fist. He might double tap you in the head. I don't know what "double click" is. Probably some term you picked up in prison.

    And since you seem to be talking about Sarge here, I've met him too. And I don't think you want to fool with him. I believe he's a man of his word and I think you would end up a quivering mass of goo if you crossed his path with ill intentions. He's not a man to be trifled with, or underestimated.

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  31. SSAH, Lol, You are being so kind, But Truthful. I really am someone that likes people and always have, about the only thing I won't stand for is someone going after my family. But now I have become a person that can not stand for most of the Liberal assholes, The Democrats have cause me to change somewhat in the last 10 or so years. That is why the summits are so nice ,you get to meet real honest hard working Men and women and their families where people laugh and enjoy their day. Good memories for sure.

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  32. This isn't CJ so no ones post is going to get deleted for being off topic and I actually enjoy when a blog takes different twists and turns but when it denigrates into nasty vile first grade personal attacks I will delete them.

    Now if you eviscerate someone in a Captain Howdy style, that is using the fallacy of their arguments against them and insult them in a way that requires the dictionary I will applaud you.

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  34. Now, for just a nanosecond I almost thought we had our first contributor from the left. Attempting to bring valid arguments in a structured fashion. Ya know, creating meaningful dialogue.
    It appears I was duped for that nanosecond.
    Unfortunately it seems the new visitor has some sort of deeply rooted angst, from some previous venture. I really don't care. But I don't like to read any of these good people being trashed by someone refusing to at least identify with a handle. It seems to lack authentic credibility, and appears to be just directional angst.
    And besides that, the mere thought of finding any sort of humanity in Hill? Cmon, now your just being crazy.
    Maybe someday you will play nice and use logic. And drop the vitriol....



    Good decision in making him go away KTT.

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    1. Hammertime, I agree that having someone from the left that can debate issues is a plus. I hoped just like you that we found one but they got vile and launched into personal attacks.

      I was going to leave them but then he got nasty about my delete policy. Left me no other choice.

      He can post if he avoids the personal attacks but poof will go those that are at a first grade level.

      Not just him but even those who post that I like. Banter back and forth is fine but not disgusting personal attacks.

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  35. He was given I don't know how many hints to cool it with the hateful stuff. Hand-Job just has no self-control whatsoever. Sarge and Lucy set him off, but he lacks the insight to see that his writings are the cause of the trouble.

    Good idea to give the warnings, though. Sort of sets this place apart from cj - aka Urinal.

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  36. Four hours on the road and somebody made it home tonight. Good thing nobody took the bet with odds I laid.

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    1. You know, your comments about conscience still stick with me earlier. The way you worded it, you took faith or spirituality out of it. Relied basically on the history of what men have already seen. Your the first liberal to admit the importance of history, and own it. Kudos.
      But I don't recommend living your life threatening or harrowing others. It makes for a shorter one. And life is already precious and short enough as it is. I have a feeling you dont care for yourself, let alone others.
      And the odds are, you probably won't live a happy day in your life until to you reckon with that. Good luck.
      But the odds I lay down here right now, say you won't care. And that's too bad.
      I gather you are fairly old. Let go of the angst. I let mine go at 28. My life has been so much more fruitful in the many years since. Maybe just some foolish advice to you, but you should take it. Bitter makes you old...... And alone.
      Good luck.

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  37. Okay, KTT you removed my comment, I won't bother you or your blog again, see that is simple wasn't it. But you don't need me and I don't need you see ya next year the summit though.

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    1. Right I removed your post. It was juvenile, vile and just a personal attack. I couldn't delete all of anonymous' post for being juvenile, vile and a personal attack and leave yours. I, unlike CJ, have integrity and don't base my principles on who I like and don't like.

      I don't take deleting posts lightly, but no man, woman or child that who visits here should be subjected to the posts I deleted.

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  38. Ktt That's cool It is your blog, your the man. Maybe you should have explained the rules when you join over here at the bunker. I have no problem with rules if they are posted. See ya around best to you and yours.

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    1. Sarge I did explain the rules and you replied then start with mine "I won't whine." I deleted anonymous' posts and you immediately posted about having sex with his wife. Really? I should have left that inflammatory post?

      Do you think post like that are respectful to others who may not appreciate that type of post.

      I don't want to be associated with gutter talk. Rm 235 is Kevin's blog, but my name is at the top of this one and until Kevin tells me differently I will delete trash posts that serve no value.

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  39. It's okay sarge. People who don't like themselves try to bring others down. It's what they do.
    I think KTT is attempting to apply the idea of attacks equally and fairly. Which, for what it's worth, is kind of nice considering most things in America don't work that way right now.
    I'm pretty sure nobody here cares what some ass hole says about you, and trys to get you to react. I (we) know who the real sarge is, and that's who we love. You don't have to feed the fire of vitriol to outlandish posted comments. We got your back.
    In the end, I think KTT is striving for a dialogue to start, instead of a thread of hatred back and forth. I do admire that. It's what America needs. Noble and impossible as it may seem.

    So, in the end you aint going nowhere. You are going to be right here with the rest of us, fighting off the hordes. Only we are going to use a little more nobility, whether the assholes deserve it or not. Let's be better than them, because we are.
    Hammers got your back sarge, and Im willing to bet everybody else does too. Hell, I'll even double down on it.
    Your call my man.
    I'll follow your lead.
    Hear me?

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  40. Well, it looks like I got deleted too. Thought this was a little different situation than over on the urinal. Guess I'll be with Sarge on this one.

    You know this guy dogged Sarge really bad for a long time. I give him no quarter where my friends are concerned.

    Guess I'll join Sarge. It's been fun fellas. See you around.

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    1. Do as you want Safe but I didn't delete you (at least not intentionally.

      And for the record I stand by deleting Sarge's post saying he F'd anaonymous' wife. I bet he wouldn't say it in front of some of the posters at the Summitt live so why should it be allowed for them to read.

      If you like that kind of post then I guess I misjudged you.

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    2. Think about it Safe. You criticize the unholy left but how holy is it to say you were having sex with another man's wife on a public blog?

      And he did it right after I warned anonymous that is delete his posts and when he crossed the line attacking people I deleted all his posts. I

      If anything I should be pissed at Sarge for putting me in that position. He read the warning post and responded to it saying he wouldn't whine. Right.

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  41. Sarge go ahead and repost the post I deleted. I won't delete it again - on one condition, you show your wife the post. I am sure she will be so proud of you for it.

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  42. I put this on Kevin's blog here at the Bunker and I'll post it here too...

    I am just now catching up on the hulabaloo.... If I may be peace-maker here.... (hugs).... when y'all calm down, please try to iron this out. There's too many years intertwining your friendship with each other.



    Love, Rikki

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    1. Mean it. World be a better place with more like you.

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  44. Oh shit, looks like I missed one hell of a fight...

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    1. Lol. It was and I didn't even call him a lib this time.

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  45. Everyone in the Rm 235 family has this in them KTT - that's what makes us all family.

    Hugs.

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    1. Not really. It doesn't come naturally for me. I want to go for the jugalar. Fight hard not to be mean. Being nice come naturally to you.

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  46. Find the calm within your hearts - then when you've reached your inner peace, come back and make peace with each other....

    KTT, Sarge, everyone - please don't let there be division in our family.

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  47. Wow...

    I can see both sides, here. It's hard not to just let loose on some completely anonymous person throwing around insults. "Punch back" thing, ya know?

    Actually, I should probably lighten up on some words, myself. I actually did delete one last week that even I, myself, thought I may have gone a bit too far on.

    I don't know what the solution is, here. I can see KTT's point about being even-handed, when he thinks both sides have gone over the top. As Hammer mentioned...at least he IS trying to be more 'fair'...which does NOT happen at ALL over at the Urinal.

    One thing we do NOT need is to give the enemy more ammo. You guys probably have them laughing their asses off. Of course, pretty much every family or group of friends has their little disagreements and arguments. May wanna keep it in the family?

    I might suggest that in the future, if KTT feels like one of our posts needs to be nuked, just let him do it quietly, and if any of us who gets a post pulled has anything more to discuss, perhaps a more suitable thing would be 'behind the scenes'? I'm sure off-Room 235 contact could be made, if not already available?

    Lighten up, guys. Raise a beer to each other, and let's fight what REALLY needs fighting?









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  48. Bad word, bad word, bad word. Okay, I can accept my post being pulled.

    KTT is doing the best he can to keep the conversations civil. And I know, I have said a few things that should have been pulled. But I accepted it. Come on SSAH and Sarge. We all need you and we are in this together. You know I would have your backs each and every time at that other place. And I still have you backs but could you please just look past this brush up, just this one time for the good of the club? It wouldn't be the same without y'all. Pretty please? 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑

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  49. Pretty please with a beer to go with it?

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  50. Now how in the world could anyone refuse an offer like that?

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  51. i don't like to delete posts, but anonymous posted personal attacks and some very nasty.

    I posted this directed to anonymous:
    This isn't CJ so no ones post is going to get deleted for being off topic and I actually enjoy when a blog takes different twists and turns but when it denigrates into nasty vile first grade personal attacks I will delete them.

    Now if you eviscerate someone in a Captain Howdy style, that is using the fallacy of their arguments against them and insult them in a way that requires the dictionary I will applaud you.

    He didn't like it and made a threatening post so I deleted all his posts. They were gone, it was done, but then Sarge posted a very nasty post to stir things up again.

    Trust me, I don't like deleting posts especially those of friends, but I also don't want to be part of a blog that is riddled with vulgar personal attacks.

    I've never considered deleting any of your posts before. Yeah, some are hard hitting but that is okay.

    Ultimately this is Kevin's blog and I respect that so if he tells me not to delete any of the 235 regulars post I will abide by his rules, but to this point he's given me discretion on how I handle my blogs here.

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  52. For the record I ain't mad at anyone.

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  53. I've got a mugs worth of wild blueberry JAVA in my mug.... raising it to all of you.... my Rm 235 family.

    Maybe it might be best to leave yesterday where it belongs - yesterday and all the hulabaloo is now in the past - today is a new day and if y'all caught the sunrise it's mighty pretty this morning.

    Love, Rikki

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  54. Maybe the solution is for us to police ourselves. Don't allow yourself to be drawn into the gutter. Did you all ever stop and think that their goal is to create division and discord?

    They are succeeding.

    I respect the fact that KTT wants to keep the blog out of the gutter. He allowed a freewheeling discussion but drew a line. Thats ok. I have read enough national comment sections where the discussion devolves into a bunch of inane name calling and foul language. We are above that.

    Safe, you are very skilled at putting hand job in his place by reminding him of his failings at just being a decent human. Keep it up.

    Sarge, you and I have been around a long time, over several lifetimes you might say. I know how passionate you get, how you cut through the bullshit, well pretty much like a Sargent. But this ain't the in the field with a bunch of grimy faced FNGs. It's mixed company. I know you respect that, don't let the hand jobs out there drag you down to their level.

    You need to think if Sean Connery in The Presidio. He just used his thumb. Only the left one, the right one was much too powerful.

    Since this blog is blog was about me (Patrick Henry) I felt I needed to clear the air and remind everyone that we may indeed once again have to defend our liberty. If it comes to that, we will need to have each others back. I am confident we will.

    And just for the record, I have no problems with a well placed "fuck you".....but it should be used like a scalpel to cut deep, not a butter knife. The following video is a very good instructional video on its use.

    https://youtu.be/5EXqPriuHHI

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  55. Oh Man, I get back on the computer and see this. Some posts apparently got deleted for profanity.

    KTT is trying to stick to a standard. Let's try to help. Safe & Sarge are two of my oldest friends here. Come on guys, we can make our points without too much rancor. This is a pretty good and tight group of folks. We responded to the intruder pretty good yesterday, let's don't let his influence cause internal trouble.

    This is hardly cjonline. Thank god.

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    1. Not for profanity. We are adults and no post is going to be deleted by me for using it.

      But posts that are vulgar for the sake of being inflammatory, posts that are crude and that you'd punch someone in the face for saying it around your wife or kids (this blog is not age restricted and I've shared it with my kid before because I was proud of what I blogged) or posts that attack a person below the belt so to speak will be deleted.

      Ken, you "attack" people. You evixcerate them and hang them up to dry for all to see, but you do it with intelligence and class. I respect and encourage that kind of banter.

      But anyone can say F you, you F'd your sister and I F'd your wife. No class, just vulgar and these are the posts I deleted.

      I respect you and your opinion so tell me what you think and don't hold back.

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  56. Well CaptHowdy I don't plan on going easy on LearnedHand, the next time he comes calling I am going to get real nasty, example I am going to say...LearnedHand Poo poo on you and pee, pee in your eye, Now I will apologize in advance if I hurt Ktt or anyone else feeling for the harsh language. See everyone on my next trip around.

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    1. Hey Sarge, stick around, will you? You don't need any help handling Hand-Job, but you know Safe, KTT and myself will also give him sizeable helpings of put-downs. He knows his incitements against you have no traction here. Yes, he likes to relentlessly attack, but he can't win.

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  57. Oh I already said it - one standard. If we expect others to do it we should hold ourselves to it, too. I understand Sarge wanting to handle Hand-Job - if somebody had tried to get me arrested, I'd probably feel like taking care of business, too. But referring to explicit sexual relations, I can easily see where that would be out of bounds. I had to behold the spectacle of Phelpsters picketing outside of my own church on Sunday and what they had stick figures doing ... well, you can imagine my feelings. And they were obviously waiting for Sunday School to get out - and kids would see that stuff.

    At any rate, a good idea for everybody to do what Cruz suggested to the Donald - take a deep breath and count to ten. We should be back to normal (or at least normal for this bunch) in no time.

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  58. Well looks like Hillary and Trump are going to be on the ballots in November - definitely the election in our lifetime. A lot of us saw this coming months back.

    No surprise about Bernie fighting to the bitter end....

    Trump receiving his first "non endorsement" is sending shock waves - The GOP needs to stop playing around and rally behind their Republican Nominee - it's not good to have division this late in the campaign.

    The Democrats are still divided - regardless of Hillary being the projected Democratic Nominee, there's still people who won't vote for her.

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  59. All right. I looked back and I don't think any of my posts were deleted. I don't really keep track but it looked at first glance like something was gone. I don't think that is the case.

    So, that being said, let me address why this issue is so inflammatory. I got booted off the urinal after nearly ten years of posting, all because one pain in the ass left winger has the ear of the moderators and campaigned to get me booted. That was not fair, and it pissed me off. So I've been here ever since because there isn't a fear of one person (other than Kevin, and that has never happened)deciding something offended their sensibilities based on their personal beliefs. More of a free for all, if you will.

    So when Sarge gets a little over the top like that, I just laugh and say well, that's just Sarge. I wouldn't have said that, but I'm not going to judge him for it. My sensibilities are mine alone. And Sarge has a long history with that asshole, as do several of us, right Ken? It got real personal and dirty with Sarge. Even Lucy thought hand job was over the top so you know how bad it was. So I give Sarge a little more latitude than the rest of us. Walking in his shoes, and all that?

    I know the language is pretty salty here, me included. It's kind of nice to let your hair down. And by the way, I've never suggested my wife read this blog for that reason. That offends her and that's her sensibility. So I know she wouldn't care for it and I told her that and she's fine with it. A good rule to follow is if you go somewhere knowing you might be offended, you probably shouldn't go there or you'll probably be offended.

    If you don't like what Sarge said, tell him. He's a big boy, and he's tough as nails. Tell him, don't threaten him. He doesn't take well to threats or pandering or condescending. Tell him that offended you. Sarge is a good guy and he never intends to offend his friends, the offense was intended for his and our enemy.

    This thing could easily be handled a little more even handedly I think. We're all adults here.

    And I'm not much on lectures either. My calling the left unholy and ungodly is something I have explained at length and this isn't the place, but suggesting it is hypocritical of me to call the left unholy and defend Sarge like you did KTT, I find a little offensive. Maybe we need to have a conversation and I can explain what the unholy left concept is, it isn't what you think it is, I suspect. Much more complicated.

    So with all that off my chest, I guess we'll just have to see how it goes. But deleting posts from our family members because the offend you personally is a pretty slippery slope. I favor deleting hand jobs posts just because it pisses him off. But that's a different animal. He sets out to offend each of us personally. And when he does those posts that sound like reasonable discussion, that's just to bait you. He doesn't have a reasonable bone in his body. Have no doubt, he hates us all. And it will ALWAYS evolve into the name calling and hate speech.

    CJ wasn't always what it is now. It used to be a free for all. No bad language, but no deletes for opinions. And there were some pretty wild fights. But over the years it changed and now one person can control what and who gets deleted based on his personal bias which is hard core left.

    But it's not my blog, I'm just a commenter. So the blog owner (or owners) can do whatever the hell they want, delete who the want or whatever. The rest of us just decide if it's where we want to be or not. It always has been for me, but that one kind of made we wonder what is happening. And I'm comfortable in thinking I can say what I think to the blog owners as well.

    We'll see what happens next I guess.

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  60. SSAH, I read that every word, to bad I can't steal it as some say I do and post that on CJ lol, But just for the record I do know what I said was thrash and after I said it, I turned to my wife who was sitting at the kitchen table, and told her this blogging is changing me it is not my personality to talk like this, so KTT I did read it to her, and she looked at me and said Jim just turn it off as she has said many times, but just by the bad luck you really beat me to it, SSAH It has been along time out here for sure I am with you, we will see how it works out, I being a stubborn asshole, OOPs sorry for the language everyone.. But Life moves on, SSAH you have been a good friend and I will always Honor that. Thanks. Oh and I feel that way about all. Later

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  61. SSAH, Sarge, KTT, everyone...

    Hugs and more hugs to y'all.

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  62. Safe I didn't threaten Sarge. My comments were directed to hand.

    Hand knew who I was talking to because he responded to me. I then deleted all his posts including those that weren't nasty just because I don't like people threatening my friends or me.

    After it was all done Sarge had to post a vulgar post about having sex with hands wife.

    It was offensive and inappropriate.
    , I didn't delete the post because it offended me personally I leave lots of posts I don't like alone.

    I deleted it because it was offensive period.

    Tell you what Safe. You don't need to see how it goes. No will tell you. If vulgar inflammatory posts are posted on my blogs I will delete them.

    No post got deleted for opinion so STFU.

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  63. I am done with this discussion and faux Christians who think it is okay to post about f ing someone else's wife and aren't smart enough to figure out that isn't an opinion.

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  64. KTT, give it a break you seem to be keeping it alive, I posted enough to say you were right others maybe explaining a reason I did say what I said, Let it go. It is a dead issue, now if you are asking that I should apologize to each person, well that is not going to happen, I am now hoping this isn't some kind of power trip. I have nothing personal against you let keep it that way. Later

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  65. We need a new blog up, turn the page, move forward.

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  66. Well OK then. That clears it up. I tried to explain my feelings in a reconciliatory tone but that response sums it up for me.

    Like I said, it's your blog. You can do whatever you want.

    I guess that about covers it then. I'm not going to argue about this, not my blog, not my rules.

    Glad I got to meet some of you at the summit, maybe we'll meet again sometime. Till then, guess I'll just STFU as advised and see you all down the road.

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  67. SSAH, there is two blogs that run here. So you still got a place at the bunker table. Later

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  68. Sarge I never asked or expected an apology from you but when I am attacked I am going to respond back. Especially when people accuse me of deleting their posts when I didn't or deleting posts because I differed with the opinion

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  69. KTT, then that makes you know different than me. Listen Learnedhand put my family's safety at risk address and all . Now I will respond how I see fit, not in the way I did, he doesn't know a damn thing what he is talking about He tried to get me arrested, cost me 2,000.00 dollars which at the time was chump change but it was mine. He Had or has anyone else knows what took place in that Jury room including CJ, Now I nor my wife has even a moving violation or a at fault accident, never been arrested, I wasn't about to let him do that to me and my family. the verdict in that case 8 to 4 and it was that all those weeks, and he tries as does that fool Yellow squirrel Blame me. Did I error on posting on the real last day of the trial yes I did, but never once did I talk about that case, I could go on with plenty more but I won't bore everyone and besides I don't have to explain shit, oh sorry I can't edit that word. As I said before no one mess with my family. Now that is the end of the story, everyone can take it or leave it.

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  70. Teo things, KTT. I said it looked like I got deleted. I also acknowledged when I looked back I don't think I was. Even you said you didn't think you did so you weren't even sure.

    Second, I didn't say you deleted anything for differing with the opinion. I said deleting posts because they personally offend you. That's the same excuse buttstash uses on the urinal. Personally offensive is pretty objective stuff.

    That said, I don't think you know who your friends are and who your enemies are here. Handjob is a troll. Simple as that. A particularly vicious one. No different than buttstash, except worse. His goal isn't to offer discussion, it's to create havoc. To evoke responses just like he did and create dissent in an otherwise peaceful friendly place. He means you and Kevin and all of us ill will and will lie, distort and do whatever he has to do to create exactly what he did create.

    So it looks like his mission was accomplished Hard feeling and nasty comments between friends. That's why these people are the bane of the internet blogs. They live for this. And this one got just what he wanted. Just look at what he posted at 7:57 AM today. Pure unadulterated lies meant to harm Sarge. No bad language, no name calling, but a serious accusation that is nothing but a lie.

    At some point you are going to have to figure out who your friends are. And who your enemies are. This one has impacted this blog when he should have been deleted on sight in my opinion.

    That is the last comment I have on this or any subject on Room 235 I'm not going to drag this blog down into the mud because of some troll. Buttstash already has made that happen on the urinal. There's no need to let another one have his way any further than he has. This blog is too important for that to happen to it.

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  71. NONE of us should be attacking each other. Hand-Job accomplished his objective when we began arguing amongst ourselves.

    Comparing Hand-Job to Batty is unfair ....... To Batty. After all, he's never tried to get someone arrested or convicted of crimes - WHEN HE HAS NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE. The only other troll in Hand-Job's league is Mr. Happy. A true cowardly, narcing POS if ever one existed.

    Putting this behind us should be easy. Safe never meant to offend anyone (even Hand-Job, who knows how to play this game) and Sarge just got a little carried away. Readers need to examine Sarge's explanation above. Imagine how you'd feel in this situation.

    Safe and Sarge will always have your back. KTT, I feel you can appreciate this. The weenies out there are after us all the time. A brace of good friends helps out. A lot.

    We're the "right" people. We don't slavishly follow a party line. We will disagree. Hell, sometimes we'll disagree a lot. Let's just don't disagree ruinously.

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  72. Like SSAH said LearnedHands 5;57 post is still there posting my Real name, no big deal he and his idiot dems have done that for years now. I won't hurt anyones feelings, but I will get my point known. I haven't hurt a person out here and never would, but I could say I would have no heartburn taking Learnedhand out, but I can't say that the way I would like to say it, ,could be classified as a threat so I won't go there.

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