So many things I'd like to talk about today but because of a discussion that was started on the last edition of Room 235 (America's Blog) I'm reluctant to do so.
The conversation centered around religion. And more specifically it had to do with the left's use of scripture as a means to justify their open borders agenda.
I'm woefully unqualified to speak on the topic of religion so instead of even trying I'm going to move a few of the comments over here and see where it goes from there.
And even though I'm unqualified to speak about such things I would like to offer up one little observation.
I find it more than a little hypocritical of those who have done everything in their power to remove God from the public square only to turn around and try to use his word to influence Federal Immigration Policy.
But then if you took away the left's hypocrisy they'd have nothing at all.
Here goes...
Good morning, read a lot but don't comment much. To busy arguing with idiot pagans that call themselves ELCA clergy. But I will admit that Moran posted me off with his vote.
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Just curious, but how would you explain your position to Jesus ? I'm not a member of your church, but I suspect my parish priest would have some problems. But, I look for your comments to help understand your thinking. I'd also ask that you respond in light of the following scripture passages
Matthew 25:31-46 – “…I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Luke 3:11 – “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none…”
Luke 4:16-21 – “…Bring good news to the poor…release to the captives…sight to the blind...let the oppressed go free.”
Romans 12:13 – “Mark of the true Christian: “…Extend hospitality to strangers…”
II Corinthians 8:13-15 – “It is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need…”
Ephesians 2:11-22 – “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are citizens with the saints and also members of the household of God.”
Hebrews 13:1-2 – “…show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels…”
Matthew 25:31-46 – “…I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Luke 3:11 – “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none…”
Luke 4:16-21 – “…Bring good news to the poor…release to the captives…sight to the blind...let the oppressed go free.”
Romans 12:13 – “Mark of the true Christian: “…Extend hospitality to strangers…”
II Corinthians 8:13-15 – “It is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need…”
Ephesians 2:11-22 – “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are citizens with the saints and also members of the household of God.”
Hebrews 13:1-2 – “…show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels…”
Jim 1-36 Ian is a asshole, and Jim 1-37, stay away from Ian the asshole...
Oh, look out Dennis! I think Old Blue thinks he can pin you into a corner! LOL! Do you think he really wants you to 'explain" your position to Jesus or just wants to try to do the "good Liberal thing" and take his shots at a minister? Do you really seriously care, Blue, what Jesus would think? Somehow, I doubt it!
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Not a trick question at all. I await to be enlightened. I have never advocated a totally open border, and I don't think everybody should be let in. I've said that for years. Nonetheless, it's a legitimate theological issue. If I'm going to be asked on judgment day "so what did you do for the poor little brown ones ( as Poppy Bush called them ), I figure I had better have an answer.
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Yea, a second rate doctor is gonna try and twist logic and words with a religious leader.
I see what you did there, Ian.
Maybe you'll try and straighten out the religious, too?
Insinuating you have leaned neither direction on immigration, yet you are willing to try and use scripture as an argument?
Satan. You are Satan.
You want no good. Only trouble.
That's why you are here.
And continuing to waste gov't dollars doing it....
ReplyDeleteI see what you did there, Ian.
Maybe you'll try and straighten out the religious, too?
Insinuating you have leaned neither direction on immigration, yet you are willing to try and use scripture as an argument?
Satan. You are Satan.
You want no good. Only trouble.
That's why you are here.
And continuing to waste gov't dollars doing it....
Beware of narrow minded liberals who twist Bible verses to suit their narrow mindedness in an ill fated attempt to make a trap. Note for Ian: Get thee behind us Satan!
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He has proven over and over again he is the "GODLESS" left doing satan's work. Trying to get a person of faith to engage him so he can twist and try to turn the person around. Wont work with any one here. So you might as well go to hell and stay there.
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Looks like the resident irritant is trying a different angle?
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Always entertaining when a godless commie lectures Christians on how Christians are supposed to act.
Stay in your lane comrade bedpan. You know nothing about what God thinks and probably never will. Stick to spreading commie propaganda and copy and pasting commie talking points as the Apparatus sends them to you. Don't presume you know anything about what God is telling his believers since you ain't one of them.
ReplyDeleteStay in your lane comrade bedpan. You know nothing about what God thinks and probably never will. Stick to spreading commie propaganda and copy and pasting commie talking points as the Apparatus sends them to you. Don't presume you know anything about what God is telling his believers since you ain't one of them.
Busy day but here is my answer blue.
1. In the Hebrew wording of the Old Testament there are two root words that are translated; foreigner, stranger, sojourner, etc. They are ger/gar and Nekhar/nehar. They mean very different things in the Hebrew. Ger means invited guest, a travler who request to make a home, one who adopts the rituals/customs/practices of the people group that they travel with or settle within their land. Ger are full members of the Jewish society, they are welcome to join in the worship rituals of the Hebrews (to remain a ger it is required that you adopt and follow the religious rituals), if they become needy, orphaned, widowed, lamed, etc. they receive the same gleaning privileges that the Hebrew people did.
The other word Nekhar is always used to denote an invader or an uninvited and very unwelcome guest. When the Philistines or Moabites pillaged the land in the book of judges they were nekhar. Abraham was nekhar in the land of Canaan, he was not to make it his home. Conversely when in his travels he came to Egypt he was the gar of the Pharaoh. Just as when Joseph extended the invitation to his family to join him in Egypt they were nekhar. But over time when a pharaoh arose that did "not know" Joseph they became nekhar. Nekhar always carried the underlying meaning of unwelcome or unwanted.
The nekhar were not allowed to glean the field edges or harvest the fallen fruit from orchards. Neither were they allowed to harvest the fields in the seventh year when the Hebrews were told to not harvest and let the poor, lame, widowed and orphaned harvest the fields, vineyards and orchards, the gar/ger were allowed to join the Hebrews in the seventh year harvests.
2. God established boundaries and borders multiple times in the Old Testament. When the Hebrews came into Canaan, each tribe except for Levi were given specific areas of land and each clan and family within the tribes were given land inside those areas. God even limited the scope of the land that he promised the Jews. He sat borders and they were to respect those borders and not to lay claim to the lands of those who dwelt in them.
During the Exodus and the 40 years of travel in the wilderness multiple times the Hebrews came to the borders of nations. God always told them to ask permission to travel through the lands and if they were denied permission he led them around the nations.
3. Our nations immigration laws are to be obeyed by Christians, Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul were very explicit in the command to obey the ruling authorities.
4. It is extremely unchristian to have the chaos and violence that results from the past two administrations border policies. Hundreds of murders are committed annual by illegal aliens, thousands of rapes, thefts and assaults. Then there is the sex trafficking and the rape of women and children along the way. Plus the drug cartels forcing of carrying drugs on illegals. All of this would decrease if we closed our borders and tightly regulated immigration. It is not love to help one neighbor at the cost of violence to another, which is what is happening because of our border policies.
4. It is also no just for illegals who can walk across our borders to be given access to immigration in the USA when there are millions of foreigners in Asia, Africa, etc. whose only access to immigration is to go through the proper channels and wait. Our current system is hurting, not loving, those who do not live on the America's continents by unjustly giving them access when others cannot do this.
ReplyDelete1. In the Hebrew wording of the Old Testament there are two root words that are translated; foreigner, stranger, sojourner, etc. They are ger/gar and Nekhar/nehar. They mean very different things in the Hebrew. Ger means invited guest, a travler who request to make a home, one who adopts the rituals/customs/practices of the people group that they travel with or settle within their land. Ger are full members of the Jewish society, they are welcome to join in the worship rituals of the Hebrews (to remain a ger it is required that you adopt and follow the religious rituals), if they become needy, orphaned, widowed, lamed, etc. they receive the same gleaning privileges that the Hebrew people did.
The other word Nekhar is always used to denote an invader or an uninvited and very unwelcome guest. When the Philistines or Moabites pillaged the land in the book of judges they were nekhar. Abraham was nekhar in the land of Canaan, he was not to make it his home. Conversely when in his travels he came to Egypt he was the gar of the Pharaoh. Just as when Joseph extended the invitation to his family to join him in Egypt they were nekhar. But over time when a pharaoh arose that did "not know" Joseph they became nekhar. Nekhar always carried the underlying meaning of unwelcome or unwanted.
The nekhar were not allowed to glean the field edges or harvest the fallen fruit from orchards. Neither were they allowed to harvest the fields in the seventh year when the Hebrews were told to not harvest and let the poor, lame, widowed and orphaned harvest the fields, vineyards and orchards, the gar/ger were allowed to join the Hebrews in the seventh year harvests.
2. God established boundaries and borders multiple times in the Old Testament. When the Hebrews came into Canaan, each tribe except for Levi were given specific areas of land and each clan and family within the tribes were given land inside those areas. God even limited the scope of the land that he promised the Jews. He sat borders and they were to respect those borders and not to lay claim to the lands of those who dwelt in them.
During the Exodus and the 40 years of travel in the wilderness multiple times the Hebrews came to the borders of nations. God always told them to ask permission to travel through the lands and if they were denied permission he led them around the nations.
3. Our nations immigration laws are to be obeyed by Christians, Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul were very explicit in the command to obey the ruling authorities.
4. It is extremely unchristian to have the chaos and violence that results from the past two administrations border policies. Hundreds of murders are committed annual by illegal aliens, thousands of rapes, thefts and assaults. Then there is the sex trafficking and the rape of women and children along the way. Plus the drug cartels forcing of carrying drugs on illegals. All of this would decrease if we closed our borders and tightly regulated immigration. It is not love to help one neighbor at the cost of violence to another, which is what is happening because of our border policies.
4. It is also no just for illegals who can walk across our borders to be given access to immigration in the USA when there are millions of foreigners in Asia, Africa, etc. whose only access to immigration is to go through the proper channels and wait. Our current system is hurting, not loving, those who do not live on the America's continents by unjustly giving them access when others cannot do this.
5. It is unchristian to take from another to give to another. And this is what is being done through taxation and all the free healthcare, education, etc. that is given to illegals. Nowhere does Jesus speak about national charity, He always spoke about personal charity.
Lastly Christian are to obey a nation's laws, unless the law causes them to sin. Obeying our immigration laws does not cause a Christian to sin. Disobeying them is sinful because thousands of people annually are hurt by the crime that accompanies sanctuary cities and states as well as the criminals that come unfettered into this nation. If a Christian wants to help the nekhar they are welcome to do a foreign mission. Heck, they can sell all they have and give it to the poor in Honduras, Mexico, Guatemala, etc.
ReplyDeleteLastly Christian are to obey a nation's laws, unless the law causes them to sin. Obeying our immigration laws does not cause a Christian to sin. Disobeying them is sinful because thousands of people annually are hurt by the crime that accompanies sanctuary cities and states as well as the criminals that come unfettered into this nation. If a Christian wants to help the nekhar they are welcome to do a foreign mission. Heck, they can sell all they have and give it to the poor in Honduras, Mexico, Guatemala, etc.
That is a very condensed version of the four part Bible Study I taught to my churches on immigration.
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And before you give me the heterodox answer of "Jesus never said anything about immigration." or "Jesus was an illegal immigrant in Egypt." Jesus said this about the Old Testament: "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me."and Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Every time in the Old Testament that God spoke, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit were speaking in unison with Him. So Jesus said a lot about immigration, divorce, homosexuality and everything else that heterodox Christians say "Jesus never said..." about.
ReplyDeleteEvery time in the Old Testament that God spoke, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit were speaking in unison with Him. So Jesus said a lot about immigration, divorce, homosexuality and everything else that heterodox Christians say "Jesus never said..." about.
And is so far as Egypt and Jesus are concerned it is comparable to moving from Kansas to Washington DC. A shitty choice, but still just a move within a sovereign state's borders from one province to another.
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Someone commented that " i bet that Ian won't come back... HA HA Dennis is gonna shut him up. " Or something like that. Well, yeah.. sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I have been suffering the flu and have been home for four days, and catching up on paper work. The internet helps pass the time. And before all the fine people here begin to dance in the street, PediaSure is great for re-hydration, and brought my temp down in no time. Nice to have a wifey who is a family doc. Works out great. So I will live.
Thank you Mr. Beckmann for your thoughtful exegesis. I will assume this comment however - was somewhat tongue in cheek. " And is so far as Egypt and Jesus are concerned it is comparable to moving from Kansas to Washington DC. A shitty choice, but still just a move within a sovereign state's borders from one province to another."All I can say is not that many years ago while driving around Topeka, my wife and I noticed a nude man running around the VA hospital. I didn't know what to say... but my wife began to quietly cry. I asked what was wrong... and she presented a litany - " that horrible Fred Phelps person, everything falling apart, a clearly insane nude elderly man... and NOBODY seems to care." So you can stay in Kansas, I'll be more than happy right here big evil D.C.
Now, for your answer. And I really do appreciate it. But it doesn't ring right to me. Not being trained in theology I will defer to those who are. The problem with that there is hardly one interpretation of Scripture, or of the meaning of Jesus, or ... on and on. Do you believe in transubstantiation ? You mentioned something about 'those ignorant ELCA' people or something like that. So are you Lutheran ? Missouri Synod ? Something else ?You touched on many things in your exposition. One that stood out to me, your notion that Jesus along with God the father, and the Holy Spirit speak with one voice. Specifically, " Every time in the Old Testament that God spoke, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit were speaking in unison with Him. " So..... that means we remain under the authority, for instance, of the Laws of Leviticus ? Does your wife refrain from wearing garments made of two kinds of material ? In my humble opinion Jesus was an iconoclast. But, you're the ... I assume orthodox theologian, so I will step aside. Funny that word heterodox.... THE Orthodox would point to YOU and rant "HETERODOX" and likely hit you over the head with a very heavy icon. Ah organized religion, never a dull moment.
ReplyDeleteThank you Mr. Beckmann for your thoughtful exegesis. I will assume this comment however - was somewhat tongue in cheek. " And is so far as Egypt and Jesus are concerned it is comparable to moving from Kansas to Washington DC. A shitty choice, but still just a move within a sovereign state's borders from one province to another."All I can say is not that many years ago while driving around Topeka, my wife and I noticed a nude man running around the VA hospital. I didn't know what to say... but my wife began to quietly cry. I asked what was wrong... and she presented a litany - " that horrible Fred Phelps person, everything falling apart, a clearly insane nude elderly man... and NOBODY seems to care." So you can stay in Kansas, I'll be more than happy right here big evil D.C.
Now, for your answer. And I really do appreciate it. But it doesn't ring right to me. Not being trained in theology I will defer to those who are. The problem with that there is hardly one interpretation of Scripture, or of the meaning of Jesus, or ... on and on. Do you believe in transubstantiation ? You mentioned something about 'those ignorant ELCA' people or something like that. So are you Lutheran ? Missouri Synod ? Something else ?You touched on many things in your exposition. One that stood out to me, your notion that Jesus along with God the father, and the Holy Spirit speak with one voice. Specifically, " Every time in the Old Testament that God spoke, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit were speaking in unison with Him. " So..... that means we remain under the authority, for instance, of the Laws of Leviticus ? Does your wife refrain from wearing garments made of two kinds of material ? In my humble opinion Jesus was an iconoclast. But, you're the ... I assume orthodox theologian, so I will step aside. Funny that word heterodox.... THE Orthodox would point to YOU and rant "HETERODOX" and likely hit you over the head with a very heavy icon. Ah organized religion, never a dull moment.
This from another exegete Mathew Schmalz, Prof at College of the Holy Cross, Amherst BA, Univ. of Chicago MA, Univ of Chicago Ph.D. ... and all around smart guy.
"We Will All Be strangers, Sometime
The Bible affirms – strongly and unequivocally – the obligation to treat strangers with dignity and hospitality.“Love the Stranger,” an article written for the annual meeting of the College Theological Society in 1991, biblical scholar Alice Laffey stated that in the Hebrew Bible, the words “gûr” and “gēr” are the ones most often glossed as referring to the “stranger,” though they are also translated as “newcomer” and “alien” or “resident alien,” respectively.In the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, the word “gēr” appears almost 50 times, and the fifth book, Deuteronomy, delineates a number of specific provisions for treating “the stranger” not just with courtesy but also with active support and provision.For example, the book of Deuteronomy sets out the requirement that a portion of produce be set aside by farmers every third year for strangers, widows and orphans. In the “temple sermon” attributed to the prophet Jeremiah, the Jewish people are exhorted to “not oppress the sojourner.”Within the Hebrew Bible the requirements of hospitality are sometimes affirmed in very striking ways, as in the story from the book of Judges in which a host offers his own daughter to ruffians in order to safeguard his guest.Of course, the Israelites themselves were “strangers” during their enslavement in Egypt and captivity in Babylon. The Hebrew Bible recognizes that every one of us can be a stranger and, for that very reason, we need to overcome our fear of those who live among us whom we do not know.The stranger is Jesus in disguise.
Within the New Testament, which Christians read in continuity with the Hebrew Bible or “The Old Testament,” the most often cited passage dealing with welcoming the stranger is from Matthew 25: 31-40.This section speaks of the Final Judgment, when the righteous will be granted paradise and unrepentant sinners will be consigned to eternal fire. Christ says to those at his right hand that they are “blessed” because“I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”The righteous then ask,“When did we see you, a stranger, and welcome you?”Christ replies,“‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”As Matthew 25 makes clear, the Christians should see everyone as “Christ” in the flesh. Indeed, scholars argue that in the New Testament, “stranger” and “neighbor” are in fact synonymous. Thus the Golden Rule, “love your neighbor as yourself,” refers not just to people whom you know – your “neighbors” in a conventional sense – but also to people whom you do not know.Beyond this, in the letters written by Paul of Tarsus (one of the most notable of early Christian missionaries), often known as the Pauline “Epistles,” it is made clear that in Christ,“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female.”
From this perspective, being “one in Christ” should be taken literally as acknowledging no fundamental differences in kind among human beings.It is true that the application of biblical principles to contemporary matters of policy is less than clear to the many Christians who have taken opposing sides regarding how the United States should deal with immigrants, undocumented workers and refugees.However, in my reading of the Bible, the principles regarding welcoming the stranger are broad-reaching and unambiguous."( end of quotation )
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The Bible affirms – strongly and unequivocally – the obligation to treat strangers with dignity and hospitality.“Love the Stranger,” an article written for the annual meeting of the College Theological Society in 1991, biblical scholar Alice Laffey stated that in the Hebrew Bible, the words “gûr” and “gēr” are the ones most often glossed as referring to the “stranger,” though they are also translated as “newcomer” and “alien” or “resident alien,” respectively.In the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, the word “gēr” appears almost 50 times, and the fifth book, Deuteronomy, delineates a number of specific provisions for treating “the stranger” not just with courtesy but also with active support and provision.For example, the book of Deuteronomy sets out the requirement that a portion of produce be set aside by farmers every third year for strangers, widows and orphans. In the “temple sermon” attributed to the prophet Jeremiah, the Jewish people are exhorted to “not oppress the sojourner.”Within the Hebrew Bible the requirements of hospitality are sometimes affirmed in very striking ways, as in the story from the book of Judges in which a host offers his own daughter to ruffians in order to safeguard his guest.Of course, the Israelites themselves were “strangers” during their enslavement in Egypt and captivity in Babylon. The Hebrew Bible recognizes that every one of us can be a stranger and, for that very reason, we need to overcome our fear of those who live among us whom we do not know.The stranger is Jesus in disguise.
Within the New Testament, which Christians read in continuity with the Hebrew Bible or “The Old Testament,” the most often cited passage dealing with welcoming the stranger is from Matthew 25: 31-40.This section speaks of the Final Judgment, when the righteous will be granted paradise and unrepentant sinners will be consigned to eternal fire. Christ says to those at his right hand that they are “blessed” because“I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”The righteous then ask,“When did we see you, a stranger, and welcome you?”Christ replies,“‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”As Matthew 25 makes clear, the Christians should see everyone as “Christ” in the flesh. Indeed, scholars argue that in the New Testament, “stranger” and “neighbor” are in fact synonymous. Thus the Golden Rule, “love your neighbor as yourself,” refers not just to people whom you know – your “neighbors” in a conventional sense – but also to people whom you do not know.Beyond this, in the letters written by Paul of Tarsus (one of the most notable of early Christian missionaries), often known as the Pauline “Epistles,” it is made clear that in Christ,“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female.”
From this perspective, being “one in Christ” should be taken literally as acknowledging no fundamental differences in kind among human beings.It is true that the application of biblical principles to contemporary matters of policy is less than clear to the many Christians who have taken opposing sides regarding how the United States should deal with immigrants, undocumented workers and refugees.However, in my reading of the Bible, the principles regarding welcoming the stranger are broad-reaching and unambiguous."( end of quotation )
Just my observation reverend, but it seems your approach to Scripture is somewhat legalistic, and perhaps literalist. Just curious, but are you a creationist ? We probably can find a defense for almost anything somewhere in Scripture. Slave owners certainly did during the antebellum period. Jesus spoke very clearly about divorce. Do you find Donald Trump an solid example of Christian morality in light of his two divorces ? How do you think Jesus would react to the sight of children being held as illegal immigrants in ... cages ? Thank you for your anticipated response.
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I would say fundamentalist not legalistic. A difference only a believer would understand. As for literalist, what other interpretation is acceptable? Godless commie “anything goes whatever feels good”? Telling people that’s OK is condemning them to hell. Did Jesus die on the cross so man could continue living in sin without understanding the consequences? I think not. Living for Christ is not about living for self. That’s godless hedonism.
Living for Christ is hard. It calls for choices. It calls for rejecting sin. It calls for believing the word of God and rejection the siren call of Satan.
Comrade Bedpan, you are exactly who God warned us about.
Get thee behind me Satan. You and your fellow workers of inequity are enemies of God and of us.
Repent, reject the lies of Satan and there is still hope for you. Otherwise there is none. Your imagined intellect won’t save you in the day of judgement. God will say, “depart from me, I never knew you”.
ReplyDeleteLiving for Christ is hard. It calls for choices. It calls for rejecting sin. It calls for believing the word of God and rejection the siren call of Satan.
Comrade Bedpan, you are exactly who God warned us about.
Get thee behind me Satan. You and your fellow workers of inequity are enemies of God and of us.
Repent, reject the lies of Satan and there is still hope for you. Otherwise there is none. Your imagined intellect won’t save you in the day of judgement. God will say, “depart from me, I never knew you”.
And there you have it.
I know that was a little long winded but don't blame me. You guys started it...
Enjoy you day...
Kevin McGinty
Good Grief! Now I am lost for words, But I will come around that asshole blue shows up to give my laugh for the day.. You either believe in God or you don't, No reason to try and pick his words apart, because that will never change them. Have a Great Day!
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ReplyDeleteYes, I do support unions. I'm lucky enough to be a union member myself and I was in the IAM when I was with Allis-Chalmers. My dad was one of the founding members of the FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) in Topeka. While the GOP has done some union-busting, so have Democrats, with activities such as bringing in many more unskilled immigrants (didn't think I'd tie the two together, did you), and helping "free marketeers" make their wares overseas.
I don't think Iowa Beef, or companies like that are either liberal or conservative. They have a profit motive, something totally different. But what I said - and I mean it - is that your position of an open sieve on our southern border and what the plutocracy wants are pretty much one and the same. As I implied, you're in plenty of company, but a fact is a fact, no?
But acting like native Americans are lazy gripes my ass, no doubt. Because immigrants are often desperate enough to work for miserable pay under poor conditions they seem "harder working." I don't want to come off as a 21st Century Know-Nothing, but native-borns should get first crack at jobs. And off-shoring hacks me off even more.
I'm avoiding the religion issue. Either of you (Boz and Dennis) could run circles around me, so I basically listen and learn.
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Well I'll be. We agree on some things. Other things, not so much. My take on jobs is that the rules of the free market should guide our decisions. If I own a business that requires minimal skills and few language requirements, I will hire whoever I can who will do the job at the lowest wage. That is free market capitalism. The business that insists on hiring more expensive and demanding American born personnel will sell its product at a higher price, and ultimately go out of business. If a business is somehow inhibited in hiring cheap labor, they will simply move overseas, and there is little the U.S. can do about it. Insofar as businesses want to operate according to an unencumbered version of capitalism, they are generally conservative. Anything else requires the intervention of the government, and that would be more "liberal", or progressive, or whatever label seems appropriate. So if Iowa Beef cannot get cheap labor like it wants, it may move operations to a place like Argentina and ship the product the the U.S. The only alternative is government intervention, and that Mr. McGinty is a very liberal idea.
DeleteJim is like me, stay out of things we don't know that much about. My mom used to call that "manners." Too little of that around nowadays.
DeleteIf Iowa Beef moves operations to Argentina, tariffs can induce them (or some other enterprising organization) to use those American Herefords and Anguses. You can call tariffs "liberal," but that doesn't change a thing does it? Kevin and I are already on record as supporting Trump's steel duties. Someone has to use that coal and iron we have in this country.
One more thing about outsourcing. I'm sure you remember when Allis-Chalmers was in Topeka. It was right on Lower Silver Lake Road. They closed in the early 80s. Whining about the Topeka labor force. Well, they sounded a little like you, Boz. Anyway, the last time I was at the Kansas State Fair I went inside one of the new A-C combines. Looks a lot like a metal shed on wheels. Guess what? The little plate on it said "Made In Italy." At least they made it in another free labor country, but I cannot believe Italian unions get paid less or are more disciplined than the American.
But you do understand why that gripes me, don't you?
Why thank you Still Safe... nothing like a loving Christian rant early in the morning. " As for literalist, what other interpretation is acceptable? Godless commie “anything goes whatever feels good”? Telling people that’s OK is condemning them to hell. Did Jesus die on the cross so man could continue living in sin without understanding the consequences? I think not. Living for Christ is not about living for self. That’s godless hedonism.
ReplyDeleteLiving for Christ is hard. It calls for choices. It calls for rejecting sin. It calls for believing the word of God and rejection the siren call of Satan.
Comrade Bedpan, you are exactly who God warned us about."
No Safe, my name is not "Comrade Bedpan", and I don't think it's very Christian of you to toss epithets at me or anybody else. As for your comments, I believe Jesus admonished us to treat each other the way we would like to be treated. As for 'hedonism', you support the greatest hedonist on the planet since Caligula ( yeah, the one in the White House ), and yet take hedonism to task ?
Jesus brought good news, not bad news. You see Christianity ( from what I can tell ) as punitive in nature. Perhaps you would be happier as a Muslim. It's full of opportunities to weed out 'sinners' and give them their just punishment - lop off hands, heads, toss them head first off buildings, and on and on. Ah, the good old days.
Most modern theologians ( and by that I mean from the last four or five hundred years see much of Scripture as metaphor. Do you think the world is 400 years old ? Really ? Do you think the world is flat ? After all, Scripture speaks of the four corners of the earth.
Look at a map of earth there is four corners dipshit, Lol
DeleteOh dipshit that is a flat map of earth laid out on a table not a glob, sorry if I confused you...
DeleteI was always taught never argue Religion and politics, I failed in both, Good Grief, as Blue would say what a loser I am...But what he says has never bothered me.. He has to get up earlier in the morning to ever get the best of me, not much phases me anyhow.
ReplyDeleteIn one sentence, Ian speaks to literal translations, and the fallacies of Christians who follow the good law. Then, speaks to how scripture is merely a meyaphor(well, according to modern theologian Ian says) in a different sentence?
ReplyDeleteThat, my friends, is evidence of Satan. That's what he does.
As for Satan being a second rate gov't hack?
Makes sense to me.
Thank you Church Lady. I have truly been clocked. Most Christians see Genesis as metaphor - the meaning that comes through the story is that grace is freely given. The message is not on the surface, it lies beneath it. Did you read Orwell's Animal Farm and think it was a bunch of animals taking over a farm ? Did Jesus himself not use parables to make points ? A parable is essentially metaphor. I hope your version of Christianity gives you comfort. But I don't think Christianity was intended to provide us a security blanket. It's far easier to make sure your private parts behave than it is to love your enemies. Say hi to Fred Phelps. Looks like he left a lasting impression on T Town.
DeleteJust my two cents and then some -
ReplyDeleteThere's a difference between religion and faith. Blue reminds me of the Pharisees and Sadducees who repeatedly tried to trap Jesus their interpretations of the law, hence a legalistic approach to the Bible. The Pharisees and Sadducees believed they were clean, pure, above the law, and they felt they were better than the Jewish people. Did you know that the majority of the laws that the Jewish people live by are man made and not God made? Yes, over 600! The Pharisees and Sadducees were hyprocrites much like Blue is.
The Ten Commandments are a moral compass to live by but the words of God are absolute.
As for comparing Christian teaching to the illegal immigration issue - the 10th Commandment talks about coveting.
Exodus 20:17 (NIV) "17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Looking at the word "covet" it simply means a yearning to possess. In the situation regarding the illegal immigrants, they are yearning to possess a life here in America without doing so honorably - i.e. they choose not to go through proper legal channels. I detest the Dems and some Repubs who may as well be Dems feel that these illegals should have benefits and voting privileges. It just down right makes my blood boil so to speak.
As for keeping the illegal immigrants out with a wall - you all know where I stand on that - let President Trump build the wall. It is not contrary to Christian values/beliefs to have a wall.
The posts that Dennis posted are absolute - unlike blue and his attempts to trap.
it is not incorrect to refer to blue as satan - because satan (the author of deception, lies, trickery, etc.) will go through great lengths to entrap. Much like blue is doing with his regurgitated groanings trying to entrap.
ReplyDeletelike satan, blue will never be satisfied - will never be anything more than what he is!
Did Democrats Learn ANYTHING from the Midterms?
ReplyDeleteDr. Phil Talks to Ben Shapiro About Victim-hood Culture
Can Trump Keep Winning?
A Simple Way to Repair the Damaged Education System is to scrap it and start over...
Why the Left Suddenly Hates Chelsea Clinton? They eat there own if you disagree with them..
Can Trump Keep Winning? Yes he can and will...
Over the last three years — the Left and the deep state have either lied or created false narratives in attempts to get Donald Trump out of the White House. But have failed so far.
They’ve labeled him everything from “bigot” to “idiot” and everything in between — and still Trump stands strong — repelling their attacks and calling it out for exactly what it is…
Fake news!
The only question is: Can he keep beating them? Yup if the people that elected him stand fast.
Can he still win while he’s up against the Left and some of the most powerful people in Washington, D.C.? He has kicked their asses so far. MAGA
Or will they make something up so heinous that he’ll either retire, resign or go through the impeachment process? Shit they will try anything, they have zero morals. Commie Bastards.
One truth that has remained a constant..... President Trump is resilient.
DeleteDid Democrats Learn ANYTHING from the Midterms? -
DeleteWhy yes they did. They learned that the majority of voters want Democrats. That's why the House went Blue.
Trump is resilient ? Is that why he spent his "executive time" spewing out 50 tweets over the weekend ? Is that why he is now ranting against a dead man, John McCain ? Someone who unlike him actually served his country and spent over 5 years in a hellish prison in North Vietnam ? Does this many have ANY shame ??
All of the investigation are continuing, and some likely coming to a conclusion. Could it be that Trump is just smart enough to know what's coming and this is why he is acting more and more erratic ? The man is not normal. He laughs at McCain's grades at the Naval Academy, but refuses to release his own college transcripts, and in fact has threatened any institution that dares to release or leak them. The bottom line, this man is a womanizing, ill educated, intellectually incurious, lazy, two bit grifter (criminal), who is better suited for a carnival, circus, or wrestling match. The world is laughing at us.
blue you need a bib... you're salivating all over yourself.
DeleteYes, President Trump is resilient! With all the attacks he has endured, he is still in the Oval Office..... (i.e. Hillary still ain't yo Prez.)
In expanding on the difference between religion and faith.... the Pharisees and Sadducees were more for religion than faith. Surprising because they were to be the faith leaders of the Jewish people - they felt that because they were descended from Abrahm, that was their "get out of jail free" ticket from escaping the confines of Hell. They were blind to the truth that being a 'son of Abraham' wasn't enough.
ReplyDeleteThis is another reason that blue reminds me of satan.
Oh Kevin don't forget to close the peacock before you fill the radiator, This is from experience talking, if you get my drift, Just Saying...
ReplyDeleteAs far as this discussion Kevin, it's not us who started the path of conversation of Christian approach to the illegal immigration night mare.... Blue started it, we're finishing it for him by putting him in his place.
ReplyDeleteBlue has taken scripture out of context and thus blue created this mess.
Oh, I don't think Kevin objects to this line of argument. There's a reason why he imported a lot of the last discussion here. He may well be doing what Jim and I are, just watching.
ReplyDeleteWatching and learning...
ReplyDeleteYou still hanging around? Don't you have work to do? Just wondering...
Deleteok. but blue still started it though.
DeleteI am going to start with answering this comment from blue. "In my humble opinion Jesus was an iconoclast. But, you're the ... I assume orthodox theologian, so I will step aside. Funny that word heterodox.... THE Orthodox would point to YOU and rant "HETERODOX" and likely hit you over the head with a very heavy icon. Ah organized religion, never a dull moment."
ReplyDeleteSince its inception the Church (and this means all who follow Christ) has had to deal with heresy. The entire Gospel of John was written to address the ancient heresy of Gnostism (the idea that one must have "new and secret knowledge of what it means to be a Christian and that knowledge comes from within oneself with "special and personal revelation") The twenty-first century church is experiencing the same struggle, with many mainline churches straying for 19 centuries of orthodox doctrine. They have discovered "new personal" revelation with supersedes apostolic and Scriptural teachings, the new Gnostic revelations include; universalism, the unsinning of homosexuality (one of the most famous of the "Jesus never said anything about..." statements of heterodox Christianity)and also obedience to ruling authorities. (my personal revelation defines love of neighbor and obedience to ruling authorities, not Scripture defines).
And no the orthodox church does not point to the Lutheran denominations that I belong to and find my theology heterodox. Do I have to define the words orthodox and heterodox. I assumed that one who had a PhD would have a basic vocabulary. Perhaps I assume to much.
Well, I am done for a few hours, I got work to do, Thinking of flushing my Radiator in my Truck... This Veh work is catchy.
ReplyDeleteRikki is 110% correct. Blue is a modern Pharisee. He makes his own laws in regards to "love of neighbor" instead of following God's Word. Then he rigidly seeks to impose them on the rest of us. All of this is done so that he and those elitist like him can import serfs to do the menial tasks, that are beneath his dignity, cheaply. These slave labor task sustain his elite lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteBlue and those like him rationalize and justify their beliefs and actions using Leviticus 19:18 "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Oh no, is Blue using the Old Testament and even Leviticus? Why I thought the Old Testament wasn't to be used? Hmm, or didn't Blue know that Jesus was quoting Scripture when he said the second greatest commandment was "love your neighbor as yourself"? Jesus never added to or changed any of the Old Testament, sorry Blue old son.)
What Blue and his fellow Pharisee/elitist friends forget about loving your neighbor are all the thousands of neighbors that are citizens of the USA that are harmed by illegal alien crime. In Texas alone (the only state that keeps data on illegal alien crimes in a way in which it can be gotten without hours and hours of digging) there were an average of over 500 homicides committed annually between 2006 and 2017 by illegal aliens. That is more deaths by illegals in ONE state annually than annual homicides by the dreaded assault rifles (rationally one cannot justify opposing gun ownership and still support open borders).
Or what about the fact (data from the WHO) that 80% of all women who illegally enter the USA are raped along the way. How is that love of those women?
Or how about all the sex-trafficking abductions that happen to children along the way? Is that love of those poor children forced into prostitution?
Or how about those who pay all the money they have to get her and then they die locked in some van body trailer. Because the person got their money and then just left them in it.
Or what about the ease with which drugs cross our border, some of them being carried by illegals that are forced by the drug cartels through threats against their families to carry the drugs. Is that loving those people?
If a parent in the USA took their child from a poverty stricken home where that child was fed, clothed and generally healthy and forced them to walk and hitchhike without sufficient food and water across the dessert southwest, child protective agents would remove that child from the home for abuse. But Blue and his friends "love" such children so much that they encourage their parents to abuse them in this manner.
There is a reason that God instituted ruling authorities and with them borders and boundaries. It was to keep chaos and violence at bay. What Blue and the faux-Christians are doing via immigration is of Satan because it is in direct conflict with what God plainly teaches.
Kevin sorry for taking so much space, but you have hit upon a subject that is near to my heart. I know you see my FB page, so you know how closely I follow the sex trafficking that happens in our nation. The I 80 corridor in NE is one of the prime areas where we see the effects of this evil. Three years ago I joined the Idaho Sex Trafficking Coalition and it has really opened my eyes to what is happening and how many of the illegal immigrant children are trapped into this modern form of slavery.
ReplyDeleteGreat read for me Dennis, Thanks...
ReplyDeleteDennis, no reason for apologies. Like what Sarge said, 'great read'
ReplyDeleteGotta do one more before I get back to confirmation and tonight's sermon. "Most Christians see Genesis as metaphor." Barna Research in 2016 did a survey asking, "Is the creation story metaphor or factual?". 57% of the 3500 Christians surveyed nation wide said it was factual. 36% said it was metaphor and the remaining 7% were undecided. So, no Blue just because a particular church which you belong teaches this, it does not mean "all Christians" believe it.
ReplyDeleteAnother interesting fact is that a majority of what traditional/orthodox Christians would call heterodox or faux Christians believed it was metaphor, while an overwhelming majority of orthodox Christians believed it was factual.
And go ahead, lets debate the science my friend Blue I am ready for you.
But I don't really care how long it took to create. I just know all was created. And I do know that we did not evolve from a common ancestor with the simians that exist today. There is a huge amount of raw scientific data that disproves macro-evolution. Just as there is a huge amount of raw scientific data that proves micro-evolution within species/kinds/families/genus. (and yes I know I didn't list them in the scientific order, but if it bothers you I can come back and do so.)
One billion one hundred million Roman Catholics do NOT teach literal interpretation of the creation narrative. Read the followng :
Delete"Science and Religion
The Catholic Church has always taught that “no real disagreement can exist between the theologian and the scientist provided each keeps within his own limits. . . . If nevertheless there is a disagreement . . . it should be remembered that the sacred writers, or more truly ‘the Spirit of God who spoke through them, did not wish to teach men such truths (as the inner structure of visible objects) which do not help anyone to salvation’; and that, for this reason, rather than trying to provide a scientific exposition of nature, they sometimes describe and treat these matters either in a somewhat figurative language or as the common manner of speech those times required, and indeed still requires nowadays in everyday life, even amongst most learned people” (Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus 18). "
Leo was right. For me, this is a non-starter. The early Church tried to stifle scientific truth until it became impossible. Galileo's writings on heliocentrism called him to the Roman Inquisition who claimed that Galileo and his followers were attempting to reinterpret the Bible. Galileo flirted with execution and was forced to renounce his findings.
You can deny scientific truth as much as you like, but you paint yourself into a smaller and smaller corner. Sadly, it is this tendency that is part of the reason Christianity is dying in the advanced world. I would argue it is a minor reason, because biblical literalism is mostly an American phenomenon. Perhaps you should read Joseph Campbell.
In any case, I was trained in a scientific field, and if it your intent to deny the current findings and positions of virtually all physical/biological anthropologist and other scientists, then we have nothing to discuss. There may be researchers who are outliers, but they are just that.
I have been on archaeological excavations as an undergraduate. Any excavation will normally attract Mormons because of their bizarre notions about Native Americans - that they are are the descendents of one of the so called lost tribes of Israel. And that they developed a high level of civilization in America, had horses, and understood metallurgy. There is NO evidence of ANY of this. And yet, we see the likes of Mitt Romney accepting this nonsense. I have no time for blind faith. Now I can see why Lutherans are referred to as "Baptists in cassocks".
just another of many examples of you being a modern day Pharisee.... just like satan, you will try harder and harder to entrap, but you grow weary when the snares you put out remain empty!!!!!!!!
DeleteLike Rikki already stated.
ReplyDeleteNo apologies needed, my friend...
I do not hold a Ph.D. I earned a medical degree at Hopkins.
ReplyDeleteWhen I spoke of the Orthodox, note that I used a major case 'O'. and a lower case 'o'. NO, the EASTERN ORTHODOX do NOT recognize the validity of the Lutheranism. In their view, Lutheranism like any protestant sect is indeed heterodox. This from an Orthodox scholar, Norrin Radd,
" Roughly speaking, the Orthodox tend to view Lutheranism and all other branches of Protestantism as subsets of Roman Catholicism. In Orthodox thought, the OC was "the" Church, Catholicism split away at the Great Schism, and all the rest of us are branches of that split-off tree.
The Orthodox have an even larger "Bible" than Catholics. Lutherans recognize the standard Protestant 66 books. (They may, like Anglicans, hold the "Apocrypha" in high esteem, but not to the level of "inspired Scripture." I'm not sure.) Catholics recognize 72 books, IIRC. Orthodox recognize 84, again IIRC. But they also have a different view of "canon." For Lutherans and other Protestants, "Sola Scriptura" means only Scripture is inspired and infallible and of ultimate authority; all other authorities are judged in light of Scripture. For Orthodox, Scripture is only one part of, It's called "Sacred Tradition"; it is not the measuring stick (the literal meaning of "canon") in the same way it is for Protestants."
And from 'Orthodox Christian Information Center "How to Treat the Heterodox"
A Small Compilation in Support of Charity and Compassion
The Blessed Father Seraphim (Rose) of Platina
1. Orthodoxy is the Church founded by Christ for the salvation of mankind, and therefore we should guard with our life the purity of its teaching and our own faithfulness to it. In the Orthodox Church alone is grace given through the sacraments (most other churches don’t even claim to have sacraments in any serious sense). The Orthodox Church alone is the Body of Christ, and if salvation is difficult enough within the Orthodox Church, how much more difficult must it be outside the Church!"
No Mr. Beckman, the Orthodox ( do you understand this is intended to identify the Eastern Orthodox Church ? ) consider Lutheranism to be just as heterodox as any protestant church. It's sacraments are null and void. Its orders are non-existent. And the Orthodox express no surprise that Lutheranism continues to bifurcate, trifurcate, and on and on until it will shatter into dozens of sects. Yours appears to be just another.
just another example of blue being a Pharisee. Just like Satan, blue will never be satisfied with the responses we post.
DeleteYour education is no excuse for your pompous arrogant holier than thou hypocritical attitude.
DeleteGood Grief!!!
ReplyDeleteSorry comrade Bedpan. “most” Christians don’t see scripture as metaphor. Only people like you who don’t actually believe in God and his word.
ReplyDeleteAnd it is just stupid to allude I believe the world is 400 years old. But godless commies favor that tactic, don’t they? Hyperbole and lies.
Jesus warned us about pearls before swine so I think I’ll follow that advice and drop out of this one. Arguing with Satan serves no purpose and that’s who I’m talking to through you. Get there behind me.
I agree SSAH.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone here minus blue.
ReplyDeleteAh, so you are one who is Eastern Orthodox. Interesting. Indeed sadly much of the EOC has fallen into legalism in regards to the body of Christ. And also into legalism as it deals with social justice which quickly devolves into socialism replacing Christ which leads inevitably to communism. We have the examples of the 20th century into the 21st century Germsny, France, the UK as examples. We are watching unfold in fro t of our eyes
ReplyDeleteOh really now ? What evidence do you have for this ? As for Lutherans, let's just say don't live in glass houses. Your founder Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Semite. But fast forward, you had Lutheran Reich Bishop Ludwig Muller. From Spartacus International -
Delete"Ludwig Müller was born in Gütersloh, Germany, on 23rd June, 1883. He attended the Pietist Evangelical Gymnasium before studying Protestant theology at the Martin Luther University of Halle-Wittenberg. He worked as a school inspector (1905-08) before becoming a parish priest in Rödinghausen. (1)
On the outbreak of the First World War he served as a Navy chaplain in the coastal town of Wilhelmshaven. Müller became an ardent nationalist and when five Berlin pastors issued a plea for peace by negotiation he supported the 160 of their colleagues who replied that "pacifism is blasphemy against God." (2)
Müller was an early supporter of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party and openly expressed anti-semitic views. According to Konrad Heiden, the author of Hitler: A Biography (1936) Müller, who was assigned to the First Military Command in Königsberg, persuaded his commander to attend a mass meeting at which Hitler was to speak." (3)
In 1931 he helped establish the German Christian movement. (4) The following year the group issued the statement: "We stand on the ground of positive Christianity. We profess an affirmative faith in Christ, fitting our race and being in accordance with the German Lutheran mind and heroic piety. Mere compassion is charity and leads to presumption, paired with bad conscience, and effeminates a nation. We know something about Christian obligation and charity towards the helpless, but we also demand the protection of the nation from the unfit and inferior. We see a great danger to our nationality in the Jewish Mission. It promises to allow foreign blood into our nation... Marriages between Jews and Germans must be prohibited." (5)
Lutheran bishops began urging people to vote for Hitler. Before the 1932 Presidential election, Otto Dibelius, the Bishop of Kurmark stated that in the past he had always encouraged people to vote for Protestant candidates. However, this time he urged the people to vote for Hitler: "Among the candidates there is once again a Catholic, namely Hitler. But he is not a candidate of the Roman Catholic Church, rather the leader of the great national movement, to which millions of the Protestants belong." (6)
just another failed attempt to snare Dennis and the rest of us in a trap. get you gone from here satan!!!!
DeleteThis passage is particularly interesting in how it mirrors your comment about the EOC ( of which I am not a member ) by way of review you wrote -
Delete"Indeed sadly much of the EOC has fallen into legalism in regards to the body of Christ. And also into legalism as it deals with social justice which quickly devolves into socialism replacing Christ which leads inevitably to communism "
* Note the similarity with Lutheran Reich Bishop Ludwig Muller-
"Mere compassion is charity and leads to presumption, paired with bad conscience, and effeminates a nation. We know something about Christian obligation and charity towards the helpless, but we also demand the protection of the nation from the unfit and inferior".
No doubt, you would find many 'unfit and inferior'. You likely agree that compassion 'effeminates' a nation, and leads many to the path of homosexuality.
How ironic that the EOC, which endured persecution under the Communists for 70 years, saw thousands of its priests murdered, and yet you conclude it leads people down the path toward Communism. Yet, the Lutheran church with few exceptions embraced Nazism, likely the greatest evil the world has seen. Your logic is seriously flawed here.
"Compassion" according to Lutheran Bishop Muller "effiminates" a nation. And to review your view :
"social justice which quickly devolves into socialism replacing Christ which leads inevitably to communism".
While laughable on its face, you essentially say the same thing. It's as if you're arguing that Christianity and its admonition to love our neighbor turns us into a bunch of sissies, or as Muller said, "effeminates" us. You seem to be a bit fixated on this. I find that fascinating.
I specialized in neurology, but completed a psychiatric rotation. It's something of a truism of psychiatry, but homophobia is in part fear of "difference", both of others, and within ourselves, and indeed many homophobic people are grappling with those feelings of same sex attraction themselves.
If this is an issue with you, I would suggest counseling. We have enough Ted Haggart's in the world.
Get you gone satan!
DeleteI don't really know much about theology, but I do know an ad hominem straw man argument when I see one.
DeleteBoz, are you really proud of what you wrote here? Let's drag up a Lutheran who was evil. Hell, you can do THAT for any religious group. Trying to pin Ludwig Muller on an American Lutheran, separated by 70 years and god knows how many synods. So could Muller be used to blame Suomi synod Lutherans? Augustana synod?
If you've a particular argument with a sect then argue the beliefs HELD CURRENTLY. Please spare us this sort of historical doggerel. Secular authorities use religious figures to propagandize!! What a scoop!!! EVERY sect has a history like this, or something similar.
You can make good arguments when you try. Too bad you decided to stoop to this.
I've had good discussions with Dennis. We particularly disagree about the primacy of masonry among the founding fathers. But the arguments never get like this.
By the way - the majority of Lutherans embraced Nazism? No spit?? Lutherans in the US? Canada? Sweden? Norway? No, not even Finland?
DeletePerhaps that JD DOES give me a doctor's authority!
Well I had plans on jumping here and putting in my two cents worth, than found out I only have a penny, so I must pass for now.
ReplyDeleteSarge, don't short change yourself - you have a wealth of knowledge and very important to all of us
ReplyDeleteAnd he has beer...
ReplyDeleteCan you tell?
Deletemy guess.... Budweiser :)
DeleteOr do you just know me well? As Prepared...
Deleteblue knows he bit off more than he can chew on this topic.
ReplyDeleteoh btw.....today is International Happiness Day and to top today off....today is also the 1st Day of Spring!!
So....there's two reasons to be happy today. Me, I gots lots of reasons to be happy! I know the rest of my Rm 235 family has lots of reasons to be happy too....
blue, well he ain't got no reason to be happy.
with the happiness post, I'm going to log out for a little while....I'll be back later this evening to catch up on reading posts here.
ReplyDeleteSarge, enjoy a Budweiser for me....with V-8.
delay in plans, I'm going to be present here for a while longer today.
Deletegood thing because satan thinks he has a foothold here but he's only fooling himself biggly.
Let's don't go too far the other way. Boz ain't Satan.
ReplyDeletepoint made Ken. however, blue does resemble the Pharisees and Sadducees with how he deliberately twists things and tries very hard to entrap us.
DeleteI don't appreciate how he comes here, with all of his pompous arrogance, belittles everyone here, etc. In fact, I loathe and despise him greatly!
I can't count the times I've advised him to treat people with a little respect and perhaps he would gain friends. And he's capable of doing good things, like when he took on Hand Job back in CJ days. But when we get treated like amoebae in a petri dish; and it's implied that we are Hilljacks and Neanderthals, one can't blame us if that peeves us just a bit.
DeleteKen, thank you.
DeleteThe way blue endlessly posts personal attacks on each one of us, and Topeka, and Kansas is worse than an old warped and worn out record with a scratch on the thread (you know, those old style 33 1/3 LP's on the turntables).
There's a stark difference between debate and personal attacks. His comments aren't debate material - he's just trying to show himself as someone better than us. He's not. It doesn't matter what a person's life profession is - that doesn't determine their stature.
What defines a person is how they treat others..if he would be decent without personal attacks and attacking our livelihood and the city and state in which we reside, he just might see less ire out of us.
A prestigious collegiate education does not make a person of stature - it is a person's character and how they treat others determines what kind of person they are.
If I were ever given a choice to sit down to a beer with blue or everyone who is a regular here on Rm 235. It's a no brainer - I would choose to sit down with the regulars here on Rm 235.
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note for blue, I know you're reading this - it would be greatly appreciated if you would just clean up your act and stop with the crap!
I felt the exchange with Rev. Beckman was reasonably civil. Where did I call someone a naughty name ? I get called everything in the book, especially by the likes of Sargejr Jim " he is, nothing but a fake Doc, Fake Service Member and a asshole". Well, okay ... I'm " a asshole ". LMAO. But why is this sort of garbage tolerated. And I again challenge anybody to find some vulgar or just not nice epithet I've tossed around .
DeleteI thought there were no snowflakes here. But if and when I disagree with someone, that's a personal attack. No, I am arguing against ideas.
Geez, looking at the posts that go on day in and out, if it wasn't for me, this would be nothing but an echo chamber.
It is my opinion that someone who rejects science isn't being intellectually honest, and by extension is doing the country great harm. SO Howdy, for instance.... how do YOU discuss an issue like "Scientific Creationism" with someone ?
idiot, it's not vulgarities it's your constant belittling, attacking our place of residence, and our livelihoods...... you consistently carry yourself with a holier than thou attitude and it's rather mindless to point out everything that you know full well what you're doing!
DeletePerhaps it's the same sort of inferiority I remember seeing in Topekans growing up. I can't help that. If Topeka, Kansas, and the entire Midwest is as awesome as you say, nothing should bother you. My position has always been that it is the political decisions made in Kansas that are killing it. My argument has consistently been against the republican hegemony in the state. It came close to killing it under Brownback. States cannot declare bankruptcy. My argument is not with Topeka's people, not what they do - I have NO idea what the hell you do, and I could not care less- it's with your politics. You began your latest rant (above) by calling me an idiot. Please point out when I have called you .. anything ?
DeleteYou are calling me out on calling you an idiot....but you obviously are blind to your own junk where you belittle us needlessly.
DeleteHere's some examples.... just today's posts alone....
Why thank you Still Safe... nothing like a loving Christian rant early in the morning
Do you think the world is flat ?
Thank you Church Lady. I have truly been clocked.
Say hi to Fred Phelps. Looks like he left a lasting impression on T Town.
I hope your version of Christianity gives you comfort.
No Mr. Beckman, the Orthodox ( do you understand this is intended to identify the Eastern Orthodox Church ? ) consider Lutheranism to be just as heterodox as any protestant church.
If this is an issue with you, I would suggest counseling. We have enough Ted Haggart's in the world.
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That's just a portion of today's junk from you. Several blogs over, you have been belittling us, attacking Topeka and Kansas, our livelihoods - you've even posted that your colleagues laugh at us.... and you have the gall play innocent?! That we're the ones attacking you?! Wow.
Now Boz, when has your ol’ pal The Remf ever called you names? I notice that you also treat Dennis and Kevin with some respect and they don’t call you names. Those who do are the ones you generally show contempt for. Perhaps if you’d try to be nicer.
DeleteAnd for the record THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING INFERIOR ABOUT LIVING IN TOPEKA OR KANSAS FOR THAT MATTER!
DeleteI have no doubt that there are beautiful locations there on the east coast - but there are beautiful things here in Kansas and Topeka also. Though the culture here is different from the culture on the east coast it does not give you the right to call Topeka, or Kansas, or us as INFERIOR!!!
And furthermore, I don't give a hoot n' a holler if you don't like my political views.
DeleteAnd concerning Scientific Creationism, everyone here knows I believe in evolution. I’ve never hidden it. I disagree with the majority here on that as well as abortion. And I imagine you’d like my opinion on that subject a lot less than you’d like, say, Dennis’ or Rikki’s.
DeleteI agree with captain on this one Blue, you are losing the debate. You use logical fallacies instead of reasoned and logical responses. And yes I will repeat much of the Eastern Orthodox Church along with many in the LCMS, ELCA, NALC, LCMC, UMC, Baptist, etc. have fallen into the legalism that their's is the only ONE true Body of Christ.
ReplyDeleteIf you truly study Christian denominations you will find there are three defining elements contained in all. 1. There is only one God and only one Son one with the Father. 2.There is only one path to salvation and that is "to believe in one's heart and confess with one's lips that Jesus Christ is Lord." 3. True repentance must follow believe. And that is using the original meaning of repentance, to change one's course 180 degrees, to turn completely around from our previous lives.
YOU say I'm losing the debate.... I brought up what is a long history of anti-Semitism in the Lutheran tradition. I documented that. Perhaps it has changed... after all, there are hardly any Jews left in Europe. What logical fallacy would I be guilty of ? It might be a stretch, but your assertion strikes me as a sort of "hasty generalization" e.g. "much of the lCMS, ELCA, etc. etc. Then you present the markers of what constitutes a true Christian church. Well Your Holiness, you are in a minority. Number 2 falls short. The Roman Catholic church requires far more than just that. And it has given ammunition against Catholic theology. Specifically, that it is guilty of supererogation. Erogare, the Latin for 'to pay'. Supererogation, "to pay too much". Many had a hard time with the Doctrine of the Assumption" for instance. I have always figured at least the Vatican gave it a very fitting name. In any case, far more is required of Catholics to be considered fully Christian, and for a church to be considered valid. if your church does not have valid orders, or sacraments, it's not a real church.
DeleteNow, what logical fallacy am I guilty of.
And Howdy, how do you know I'm not Satan ?
Finally, I would like an answer, but honestly... arguing with someone who rejects the theory of evolution is not someone I really needing to waste time with. Yes, we really did emerge from the early hominids. ( Some more than others I might add ). In my always humble opinion, the creature in the Oval Office resembles Australopithicus Robustus. However, he would like to think of himself as Homo Erectus. Stormy Daniels would disagree.
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Ok blue - that's it!!! Last straw!!!!
You are a waste of everyone's time here!!!!
Hasta La Vista!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You also incorrectly define the word orthodox as I used it. Whether through ignorance or just willful falseness, it doesn't matter. In all Christendom orthodox belief is best shown by the shared belief in the faith as confessed in the Creeds. The Apostles being the shortest and most well known by all believers. However the Nicene Creed is the preferred Creed of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
ReplyDeleteYou also have a problem with the difference between doctrinal differences and heresies.
A doctrinal difference is one such as the true presence of the body and blood of Christ in communion or is communion simply ritual in "memory of this". Or infant baptism.
A heresy is; Homosexuality is not a sin and God blesses such actions. Or all people are saved regardless of belief in Jesus Christ (universalism). Jesus Christ is not divine and not eternal (Arianism, think Mormonism).
Churches can hold to differing doctrines and still be one in the Body of Christ. A person or a church can not hold to heresy and remain a part of the Body of Christ.
It is time to ignore Ian, He is not worth the time we know what he is and he knows what he is, nothing but a fake Doc, Fake Service Member and a asshole, let it go folks. Lets get back backing a winner President Trump, MAGA
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ReplyDeleteLooks to me like that is a pretty good group to me, and God Bless them all.
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ReplyDeletebe back gotta go but I forgot to add a zero and cannot edit here.
ReplyDeleteOkay lets get back to Trucks, Cars and radiators.. And pretend mechanics. Just Saying... OR NOT!
ReplyDeleteSarge I agree with you....btw do you have any Budweiser & V-8? that does sound mighty good about now
ReplyDeleteNo I changed to a New Your beer, It is Called Genesee, and a lot cheaper but to me can't tell the diffidence in it and a Miller's, but I still always keep a stash of V-8 on hand. Oh and it sounds good at 4Am till ZZ's time. I am not picky on times. :):)
Delete:) smiles
Deleteyou still on for chili dogs at the summit? I have that chocolate cherry upside down cake I'm bringing, and if there's time a few more items (cottage cheese salad like last year and maybe one more item).
New York Beer, Gess...
Deleteoddly enough I used to like Coors, but I like Bud best. However, I'll try something once.... so I'm game for the New York Beer :)
DeleteRikki, Have not got that far into it with Kevin yet, that was my suggestion, Not confirmed yet, but Hell we can have that and 3 or for other main items, Burger, Brats, chicken, Smoked sausages, and I would furnish all of that, and Kevin gets someone to cook it like himself, Travis is a great Cook but Slow as hell, We don't want to eat at midnight.
ReplyDeleteCool Sarge :)
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When is this get together supposed to happen?
ReplyDeleteHaven't nailed down the exact date yet but I'm looking sometime around the third week of May...
ReplyDeleteSounds good to me Kevin, got to be able to shoot hand guns, I am getting rusty.. And I can't take anymore hounding from my Grandson.
DeleteI hope all of room 235 can make it Kevin and brings friends also.
DeleteI just checked my vacation schedule and it looks like the festivities will be held on Saturday May 25th...
ReplyDeleteOh shit, good grief, I was planning on sleeping in that day, Oh well I will sacrifice, this one time. You owe me my friend.
DeleteAnd yes, we'll be able to do all the shooting we want one way or another.
ReplyDeleteI haven't heard anything on the alternate location yet but if nothing else we'll do it at Luke's place...
I believe that my family and I will be there, or anyway at east PW and me. We might try to get away from the chillin's for a day.
ReplyDeleteBring the Children they will have plenty of company.
DeleteDone with theology today. Catch y'all later. In between confirmation and Wednesday evening services for a bit.
ReplyDeleteOn the brand of beer, I must admit that Keystone is my brand of choice. Unless I count a German brew that a friend loves and I do also but it is too pricey for my own good. Heck I can by a lot of ammo for the cost of a four-pack.
We'll all be looking forward to seeing you again Dennis. And even more so to meet that wife of yours...
ReplyDeleteAnd thank you for your participation today.
I'm not sure about the others but I learned a lot today...
I also Dennis...
DeleteMe three :) it would be wonderful to visit with you again and to meet Kathy would be awesome.
DeleteI'm marking May 25th on my calendar so I don't space it out.
gonna have bbq pulled pork sammiches this evening for dinner :)
~hugs
Rikki
Beer is Beer, I have never been that picky, Only real picky person I know is Ken aka Capt Howdy. But he grows on ya...
ReplyDeleteAnd I remember one time around 1 AM you could have given Ken a Root Beer and he would have said this the best beer I ever had. Lol
DeleteHey, Safe is every bit as much of a beer snob as I am. And you be cool, Jim and I won’t tell how you used to like The Beast!!
DeleteNo no don't do it, I'll be cool... See ya at the party, you do know it isn't a party with all the words of wisdom you pass out..
DeleteJim, do you know that the best time I’be ever had “the day after” a party was that Sunday morning after Truckhenge I? Folks, we were talking there for 3 hours and Polly-ticks only took up an hour of it. Maybe less.
ReplyDeleteAnd I was still having a beer for breakfast, not sure if you were up to having one, but it was a damn good morning having company that's for sure. I do remember almost breaking my back helping you load that big old oversize cooler of yours. And that was after I had most of my trailer loaded before you got out of the rack, if my memory serves me right. But it was Fun...
DeleteHey Jim, I never pretended to as hard a physical work as you could do. Do you remember Eagle Car Wash doing such a good job on my car the birds saw their reflection in it?
DeleteLol, I thought after those birds fell in love with your car, you would need a new paint job. It was a wonder they didn't follow you home.
DeleteNow Boz, when has The Remf ever evinced an inferiority complex? More the opposite, wouldn’t you say?
ReplyDeleteOh Kevin I am bring out some targets for side arms firing, I plan On beating Gary this year, the way I see it I only have to hit the target one time to win. heheheheheh
ReplyDeleteLMAO... That was just wrong Sarge...
ReplyDeleteGood Night Deplorable 235!!
ReplyDeleteGood night I am a goner also...
ReplyDeleteGood night you deplorables. Im looking at palm trees right now. Hanging with the fam which is what this was all about. Life is good, even in California. Been a hell of a trip. Now it’s time to enjoy why we’re here.
ReplyDeleteGood night friends.
Safe, whether you meet fair winds or foul, remember that your family has a place with us.
ReplyDeleteWell, I just got home. Late to the party. Goodnight all.
ReplyDeleteGood morning room 235, today is a good day to look on the bright side of life, and enjoy all of what God has given us.But for now this Kroger's coffee will do. Going to read what ever News is out there. Later..
ReplyDeleteCan't hardly find any articals that isn't attacking President Trump. This country is coming up to some hard times the way I see it. All the fake news must stop. I feel war is coming, be prepared.
ReplyDeleteHope everyone checked out that moon when we all were crashing, big and bright, if you didn't and your up now still can get a good look this
ReplyDeletemorning it is still a nice look, but better last night.
Good Morning :)
ReplyDeleteAs it turns out, those who believe in life after death end up spending more time on Earth anyway.
ReplyDeleteIn a study that’s sure to make atheists across America rethink everything, individuals with deeply-held religious beliefs were found to live significantly longer than those without any spiritual life to speak of.
Click here to learn more about the study that’s making non-believers very nervous. info@1776christian.com
You're right Sarge, there's an overflow of articles attacking President Trump - just another example that proves our point about the liberal biased media - it's ok for the Dems and Repubs who may as well be Dems to attack President Trump but it's not ok for President Trump to defend himself.
ReplyDeleteThis thing about McCain didn't just start, it's been on going ever since President Trump was nominated and intensified after his inauguration. McCain had a deep rooted hatred for Donald Trump long before he died. McCain's hatred is being carried out through his daughter Meghan and was quite present when she gave that poor excuse of a eulogy for McCain....she turned his funeral into a Trump hating event.
McCain was a deep swamp dweller, he should have formally joined the Democratic Party a long time ago.
Oh, Sarge, I too have some of that Kroger coffee in my mug this morning :)
And another thing you're right on is that God has given us a lot and we're all quite blessed.
Indeed...
ReplyDeleteWell Kevin did you get your sons car back on the road without any swearing?
ReplyDeleteWell before I go...
ReplyDeleteThe left are completely unhinged and have become enemy's of our constitution and our country! They are openly putting the well being of illegal aliens ahead of hard working tax paying legal citizens; If this doesn't constitute treason nothing does and the use of public hangings or the firing squad would be justified in this instance!
If we don't stand up and put a stop to this lawlessness we can sit back and watch the collapse of our country, it's that simple!
Agreed and no.
ReplyDeleteRan into a problem with the transmission line.
Said a lot of bad words.
Called Luke who's on vacation this week then he said bad words.
He'll have it back on the road by the time I get home this afternoon.
Lol... As it should be...
Good Grief, I understand where you are coming from, been there more times than I even want to think about. But I don't think I ever used any bad words... I lie.heheheh
DeleteLol... Transmission cooler line.
ReplyDeleteGood grief...
Go for it Joe...
ReplyDeleteDemocrat advisers are advising Joe Biden to pick Stacey Abrams as a running mate...
That's way more info than we need. Have to clean my ps board up now. That just makes me think What the H
DeleteWhen I first learned to drive, I learned from my dad some of the basic things (i.e. checking the oil and transmission fluids, checking the radiator fluid, how to change a tire and put fuel in the tank). The other mechanically intricate details I never learned.
ReplyDeleteWith how vehicles are nowadays, it takes someone who really knows their way around stuff because it's not like it used to be and there's hardly any room for hands with tools unless you take a lot of stuff off just to get to what you need to work on.
Nowadays all I do in regard to vehicles is add fuel to the tank :)
"Oh Kevin I am bring out some targets for side arms firing, I plan On beating Gary this year, the way I see it I only have to hit the target one time to win. heheheheheh"
ReplyDeleteMan, Sarge.....That is just Cruel! LOL! Now, The problem was that maybe I just didn't have enough to drink before I started shooting!
Lol maybe that is way neither of us could hit shit... :) But this year I plan on having the targets 10 feet in front of us. And maybe 5 gal paint cans and not coffee cans, that should help us out. heheheh
DeleteVery True! At least he keeps his word!
ReplyDeleteI am bring my shot gun I see I rustled some feathers. hehehe
ReplyDeleteMaybe that is when we are the safest! When you are shooting at us! :)
DeleteGood point, but I have glasses now. :)
DeleteSarge, I thought you already had glasses :)
DeleteNew and improved glasses now... hehehe
Deletewould you believe that I now have bi-focals? :)
DeleteGary I resemble that remark.
ReplyDeleteYesterday was a long day. So, am on the second pot of coffee already today.
ReplyDeleteDennis, have you ever tried Wild Mountain Blueberry flavored coffee? Mighty tasty I might add :)
ReplyDeleteYes, I have. My brother-in-law in Topeka treats me too it whenever we visit.
ReplyDeleteGroovy (in the words of my generation)
ReplyDeleteI like it with a little half n' half.
Dennis, have you ever tried roasted piñon flavored coffee? It has a woodsie flavor with a hint of fresh roasted pine nuts. Delish!
ReplyDeletehttps://nmpinoncoffee.com/
The only drawback is that it's pricey, but then to buying a pound of fresh roasted piñons that are already shelled is about $30 a pound. Though these delightful little piñons are a tasty treat.
Just Say By the book By the Boom...Good Grief.
ReplyDeleteI think this military officer sums it up best....
ReplyDeleteMichael Kelley
Michael Kelley I am a former Navy Airborne Electronic Warfare Officer and a 100% Disabled Vietnam Vet.
A “war hero” doesn’t finish 894th out of 899 and still get stationed at a Navy champagne unit and promoted ahead of all but two of his 898 other classmates.
A “war hero” doesn’t crash three U.S. Navy jets out of sheer incompetence and ineptitude, including two during non-combat training sessions.
A “war hero” doesn’t get written up on drunk-and-disorderly, fraternization, disobeying orders, and insubordination charges more than two dozen times in less than three years. Any other Naval Aviator would have been out of the service and on the street in short order.
A "war hero" doesn't make repeated pro-North Vietnam propaganda broadcasts and come out of captivity weighing just a few pounds less than when he went in while other POWs came out having lost 30%-40% of their pre-captivity bodyweight.
A “war hero” doesn’t get promoted to squadron commander of the air field named after his own grandfather immediately after crashing his third airplane. A “war hero” doesn’t have all the military records that cover his time in Vietnam and all disciplinary actions against him censored and sealed “as a matte r of national security.”
A “war hero” doesn’t get 28 medals awarded all after-the-fact “for bravery” for no other reason than being shot down and captured and then go on a celebrity public relations tour because he’s the son of two acclaimed Navy admirals.
A “war hero” doesn’t repeatedly cheat on the wife who’s back in the states waiting for him, and then cheat on her more when he returns to the states, and then divorce and abandon her.
A “war hero” doesn’t systematically vote against every single pay and benefit increase for military and veterans throughout his entire political career, all the while claiming to be “the soldier’s Congressman,” and then take credit for the passage of a G.I. benefits bill he that voted AGAINST.
A “war hero” - McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom. McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”
McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.
McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms an d a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.
“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat.
DeleteI spent ten years flying in the Navy and ended up with nine medals/ribbons including my Vietnam service, which was about normal for officers who didn't have their Admiral father writing commendations for them.
McCain also proved his "character" when he returned from Vietnam to a wife who had been in a horrific auto accident and left disfigured and confined to a wheelchair while waiting faithfully for him for six years. Very shortly after he returned he divorced her and married the "trophy wife" who would enhance his political aspirations.
We called McCain "Songbird" and you will have a hard time finding any Vietnam era Naval Aviator who did not loathe him.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the reminder Sarge.
ReplyDeleteAnd no Rikki. I have never tried that, but now I will have to.
ReplyDeleteWell I always kind of figured there was more to the story than even come out in public. Its too bad that he had to use his status and his hate while slowly dying. I guess he has had to explain all that to some higher authority than a admiral.
ReplyDeleteWell Skippey, I don't usually talk negative on anyone that served their country, But I also don't praise a phony, but I will leave that up to each person if they know all the facts. On being a prisoner of war, that would have never have happen, had he been drummed out of service for all his miss deeds before he went to war. Now that is my Opinion. And I will let other to do the Judging.
ReplyDeleteJust want to be on the record for a prediction.
ReplyDeleteThe Mueller report will never be released publicly, or if it is it will be heavily redacted. Heavily.
The left can never have anything released that would exonerate President Trump.
So, we will be left with public speculation and conspiracy forever.
Guess we will wait and see, huh?
Great stuff posted about McCain, sarge. Few things I didn't know. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnd Safe, glad you arrived. Have a well deserved and great life with the family. Nice to see men who know what they want, set things in place, make it happen. Wish you nothing but the best.
You are welcome, I know hundreds have that and passing it on.
DeleteGood Grief, I have been waiting for Ken to jump in on this McCain post, Hello where are You?
ReplyDeleteLo well I got up at 2;30 this morning so that mean I will crash a little early tonight, but who gives a shit.Later my friends see ya's in the morning.
ReplyDeleteGoodnight Sarge...
ReplyDeleteFriday's blog is up and ready to go...